It looks like that crazy lady DDed her post.

andrealynn0707

The one about training her child- it's gone. The rest of the blog is still up, though.

papagena

I'd be so freaked out if I were her... ish....

marbear81

random q.. but who is this lady and how did we find her blog? lol

kmgourley

I wonder if she was scared about CPS.  I'm sure someone on the internet copied and pasted it or has it saved somewhere, though.

pixy_stix

I'm sure more than enough people have it copied so that deleting won't do any good.

MrsAHoffman

I saw an exerpt posted earlier.... and I still fail to see why anyone feels the need to call CPS. There are a lot worse things going on in homes than someone training their 2 year old to say "Hi Mommy" upon waking. Slightly strange, yes. But does the state really need to get involved?

People seriously need to mind their own business.

kmgourley

MrsAHoffman:

I saw an exerpt posted earlier.... and I still fail to see why anyone feels the need to call CPS. There are a lot worse things going on in homes than someone training their 2 year old to say "Hi Mommy" upon waking. Slightly strange, yes. But does the state really need to get involved?

People seriously need to mind their own business.

Yes, it's only strange that she wants to train her kid to do that, but it's more than strange to hit your child with an object and threaten to withold food to get him to do it

Alirebco

I wanted my sis to see it and it was already gone.  I tried searching for it in the hopes that someone did copy the text and had no luck.  If anyone finds it, can you let me know?

andrealynn0707

kmgourley:

MrsAHoffman:

I saw an exerpt posted earlier.... and I still fail to see why anyone feels the need to call CPS. There are a lot worse things going on in homes than someone training their 2 year old to say "Hi Mommy" upon waking. Slightly strange, yes. But does the state really need to get involved?

People seriously need to mind their own business.

Yes, it's only strange that she wants to train her kid to do that, but it's more than strange to hit your child with an object and threaten to withold food to get him to do it

This is the part I have a bigger problem with. I don't think she needs to lose her kids or anything drastic, but I don't know that this is a healthy situation.

kmgourley

andrealynn0707:

kmgourley:

MrsAHoffman:

I saw an exerpt posted earlier.... and I still fail to see why anyone feels the need to call CPS. There are a lot worse things going on in homes than someone training their 2 year old to say "Hi Mommy" upon waking. Slightly strange, yes. But does the state really need to get involved?

People seriously need to mind their own business.

Yes, it's only strange that she wants to train her kid to do that, but it's more than strange to hit your child with an object and threaten to withold food to get him to do it

This is the part I have a bigger problem with. I don't think she needs to lose her kids or anything drastic, but I don't know that this is a healthy situation.

I agree.  She obviously loves her kids.  It's just that her idea of discipline is actually abusive.  It's not like she wants to hurt her kids, and I completely understand her wanting to get her kids to learn to obey the Lord, but she's just not going about it the right way.  I'd hate for her to use a belt on an older kid because he made out with someone or something like that, you know?  That's what scares me.  If she can do that to a baby who won't say "Hi, Mommy"... then what else? 

Of course, if she truly, completely "trains" all her kids, maybe she never has that problem....

MrsAHoffman

kmgourley:

andrealynn0707:

kmgourley:

MrsAHoffman:

I saw an exerpt posted earlier.... and I still fail to see why anyone feels the need to call CPS. There are a lot worse things going on in homes than someone training their 2 year old to say "Hi Mommy" upon waking. Slightly strange, yes. But does the state really need to get involved?

People seriously need to mind their own business.

Yes, it's only strange that she wants to train her kid to do that, but it's more than strange to hit your child with an object and threaten to withold food to get him to do it

This is the part I have a bigger problem with. I don't think she needs to lose her kids or anything drastic, but I don't know that this is a healthy situation.

I agree.  She obviously loves her kids.  It's just that her idea of discipline is actually abusive.  It's not like she wants to hurt her kids, and I completely understand her wanting to get her kids to learn to obey the Lord, but she's just not going about it the right way.  I'd hate for her to use a belt on an older kid because he made out with someone or something like that, you know?  That's what scares me.  If she can do that to a baby who won't say "Hi, Mommy"... then what else? 

Of course, if she truly, completely "trains" all her kids, maybe she never has that problem....

Her methods and the things she is trying to get her children to do remind me of how one would train an animal. I think it's strange. But if you browse around her blog a bit, the family seems pretty normal for your typical rural, Christian, homeschooling family. I know tons of them, and their kids are fine. They marry other people like them and the trend continues. You would be surprised how many families like this there are...

I personally will NOT "train"/ raise my child this way (especially after watching it done firsthand), but I think that people need to realize that everyone has a different way of raising their children. It's not their job to call the government on them. Let it be.

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I do NOT agree with this woman's style of parenting (or living, or marriage or home decor for that matter).  I really don't like what she does...

... that being said I think there are bigger fish to fry in this world and by CPS.

This morning I was listnening to the radio and a DC DJ was talking about how he was beaten by his mom, and other callers were telling their stories of having to pray on dry rice, picking a switch from the willow tree outside, being beaten with things like parts from their own train sets, etc.  To many many people, this is totally normal and looked back on as being funny and a reason as to why they are successful adults.  I personally don't agree... but I also think there are so many children in this country, let alone world who are seriously abused, neglected, tortured that I just feel for this family and the attention that is being put on it. 

 I went through a couple pages of her blog and though she and I are like night and day in regards to.... EVERYTHING, it is quite clear that she adores her children and believes she is doing what is best to make them proper citizens of the world.  She may be horribly wrong, but every day I see far scarier things done to children in local parks, the Metro, the grocery. 

Sorry for the rant, I just feel that this woman and her family have received enough attention from the mean boards on The Bump.  What us EFF people should do is what we do best - send vibes of positivity, health, and love.  Wish for the best, keep abreast if we wish to, meditate or pray on it, and leave the drama to the meanies on 0-6.

goinggreengirl

I was wondering how long it would take for her to delete it.

And seriously, hitting your child, comforting them and then hitting them again for a half an hour is abuse! Emotional and physical. She said he was exhausted by the time he said "Hi Mommy" because she spent the whole afternoon doing this. And the older children knew about it and didn't say anything... so who knows what she would have done to them had they tried to stop her.

Gah, it makes me sick. What a horrible example of a "Christian" parent.

MrsAHoffman

mdjunebride:

I do NOT agree with this woman's style of parenting (or living, or marriage or home decor for that matter).  I really don't like what she does...

... that being said I think there are bigger fish to fry in this world and by CPS.

This morning I was listnening to the radio and a DC DJ was talking about how he was beaten by his mom, and other callers were telling their stories of having to pray on dry rice, picking a switch from the willow tree outside, being beaten with things like parts from their own train sets, etc.  To many many people, this is totally normal and looked back on as being funny and a reason as to why they are successful adults.  I personally don't agree... but I also think there are so many children in this country, let alone world who are seriously abused, neglected, tortured that I just feel for this family and the attention that is being put on it. 

 I went through a couple pages of her blog and though she and I are like night and day in regards to.... EVERYTHING, it is quite clear that she adores her children and believes she is doing what is best to make them proper citizens of the world.  She may be horribly wrong, but every day I see far scarier things done to children in local parks, the Metro, the grocery. 

Sorry for the rant, I just feel that this woman and her family have received enough attention from the mean boards on The Bump.  What us EFF people should do is what we do best - send vibes of positivity, health, and love.  Wish for the best, keep abreast if we wish to, meditate or pray on it, and leave the drama to the meanies on 0-6.

This.

mrsmikey

I don't care what kind of parenting you do, there is no excuse for abuse.  Stop defending her, it makes me sick.  I grew up in a rural area where there were alot of homeschooled, old fashioned families, and they did not beat their children.

mrsmikey

And the fact that there are bigger fish to fry doesn't make it ok.  Let CPS decide that.  Wrong is wrong, even if someone else is doing something worse.

Sam78

For those who asked, punkfiction c&p on the 6-12 board in an earlier post (last night? this morning?) ETA: https://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/17686876.aspx 

I also think this has been blown out of proportion - I don't agree with her methods, but I don't see the abuse here (the original post says she had a flimsy object that did no harm when she tapped her son to get his attention). Of course, we have no idea if she's telling the truth, but from the way she described things, I'd chalk it up to a different parenting style, not abuse.

Sunny1inTucson

goinggreengirl:

I was wondering how long it would take for her to delete it.

And seriously, hitting your child, comforting them and then hitting them again for a half an hour is abuse! Emotional and physical. She said he was exhausted by the time he said "Hi Mommy" because she spent the whole afternoon doing this. And the older children knew about it and didn't say anything... so who knows what she would have done to them had they tried to stop her.

Gah, it makes me sick. What a horrible example of a "Christian" parent.

I agree. Emotional and physical abuse. She said she'd swat him, he'd cry, she'd comfort him, she'd ask again, he refused, she'd swat him again. After 30 minutes he finally gave in. And this was after hours of other manipulation in front of the other kids....all to try to get him to say Hi Mommy.

The way she wrote it...she sounds delusional. So who knows what else she does to them that she didn't write about. Plus they are home schooled and live in the middle of nowhere, so they have no idea of what other life is like out there or that what they are experiencing might not be normal. She's basically passing her crazy down to them.

And sorry, but to use the excuse that there are "worse" parental abusers out there is a lame excuse IMO.

goinggreengirl

Maybe hitting him with a "flimsy" thing is not abuse... but doing it over and over for half an hour? That is. And, she said it was perfect for an "infant spanking instrument" or some such nonsense. I wonder what she uses on her older children.

I know there are worse cases of abuse, but any case of abuse is wrong in my opinion.

Sam78

I think "spanking instrument" is misconstrued the way she explained it - she said it only got his attention, didn't do harm.  Like I said, who knows if this is where it ends and I do think its ridiculous, but I don't think its physical abuse.  Mental abuse? Perhaps since her whole thing is to wear him down and make him submit (sounds more and more like dog training ...)

andrealynn0707

If there was only ONE thing going on here, I might agree with those of you that say it is different strokes. But, manipulating him with things he likes, embarrassing him in front of his siblings, hitting him with a back scratcher, and threatening to with hold food are way too much for a 1 year old to handle. Do I think that Oprah, Dr. Phil, CPS and the local media all need to be involved? No, I don't. I don't think it is a bad thing for someone to take a look at what is going on, either.

Also, I call BS on the not hurting him thing. The purpose of spanking or any kind of physical discipline is to associate pain with a particular action. Even if it was only a momentary stinging, there has to be pain involved, otherwise it serves no purpose.

WhiteysWifey

Plus they are home schooled and live in the middle of nowhere, so they have no idea of what other life is like out there or that what they are experiencing might not be normal.

Just because someone is home schooled doesn't mean they have no idea of what other's lives are like....in their case that may be true, but for the majority of people that isn't.

Dobie_Mama

Sam78:

Mental abuse? Perhaps since her whole thing is to wear him down and make him submit (sounds more and more like dog training ...)

I wouldn't even train my dog in that manner.  

Personally, I think using an object physically against a child is abusive.  And, like I said in the other post, the fact that she thinks it's not abuse because it was planned is just odd.  I could plan to deck my coworker at the end of the workday and it wouldn't be any less wrong, just because it wasn't done in a rage of emotions. 

Sunny1inTucson

WhiteysWifey:

Plus they are home schooled and live in the middle of nowhere, so they have no idea of what other life is like out there or that what they are experiencing might not be normal.

Just because someone is home schooled doesn't mean they have no idea of what other's lives are like....in their case that may be true, but for the majority of people that isn't.

Exactly. Nowhere did I say homeschooling is terrible. I'm saying they have NO CONTACT with the outside world potentially (I'm assuming here based on the mom's personality and need for control and other stuff I read in her blog: They stay home for school, their family likes to be self-sustaining for food, veggies, and farm animals, they live on 7 acres in the middle of nowhere Texas, etc.)

ETA: sorry if I sounded patronizing to you.