NE1 not let them CIO?

lstaylor73

Just wondering if there is anyone who has twins that didn't have them CIO and now they are STTN?  Just wondering.

 

Mrs. Destructo

They STTN on their own, without us making them CIO. There have been a few times when they refused to sleep and we attempted to have them CIO and it just didn't work.

sweater

This is an ongiong debate in our house.

Nope - no CIO for us yet. The ped gave us the okay with Brady at 9 months (we had to wait for an okay because of prematurity and the reflux), so I won't have an argument in about a week anymore

He's a decent sleeper (yes, we're lucky...not saying he doesn't wake up randomly here and there!)...Jax is just starting to sleep long stretches now (about 9hrs last night)...not sure if it's the chiro...hmmm...?

lutzcowgirlie

Yes, but it took until 11 (for him) / 13 (for her) months for them to STTN.

 

I won't say they never cried. I always let them fuss some to see if it is just temporary. And there were a handful of times that my DD pushed me to my absolute limit where I was so tired/spent/emotionally drained that I would let her cry for longer. It never meant STTN - she would cry until I got her or she would fall asleep, only to wake again in an hour or two.

 

I know that for some people it works, so I can't say too much against it. It just went against all my instincts as a mom to let them cry. I didn't care if they were crying because they were hungry or frustrated or bored or what - they wanted me so I went. They're so little for such a short time and I just sucked it up and dealt with the exhaustion. I hated it, but I did it.

lstaylor73

Thanks ladies!  I do let them fuss for a bit in hopes they figure it out on their own but then I have to make sure they don't wake each other up and more importantly there is a medical issue with throwing up in their sleep that also happens when they get really upset.  I'm just terrified they'll choke so I just can't bring myself to do it.

sweater

lstaylor73:

Thanks ladies!? I do let them fuss for a bit in hopes they figure it out on their own but then I have to make sure they don't wake each other up and more importantly there is a medical issue with throwing up in their sleep that also happens when they get really upset.? I'm just terrified they'll choke so I just can't bring myself to do it.

Honestly sweety - I don't think you should with the boys. Any baby on a feeding tube with chronic vomiting shouldn't CIO. My husband would never DREAM of suggesting it to me with Jax...with Brady he could let him cry all night if that were the case!

Jax actually sleeps in our room on a wedge in the top of a pack/n/play. He used to be up SO much thru the night with vomiting we needed him next to us. (Sigh...) I can't even imagine the day of him being in HIS room some day right?

I can't believe I've never asked you - how do you put the boys to bed? On a wedge in their crib, a pillow under their mattress? What??

lstaylor73

sweater:

lstaylor73:

Thanks ladies!  I do let them fuss for a bit in hopes they figure it out on their own but then I have to make sure they don't wake each other up and more importantly there is a medical issue with throwing up in their sleep that also happens when they get really upset.  I'm just terrified they'll choke so I just can't bring myself to do it.

Honestly sweety - I don't think you should with the boys. Any baby on a feeding tube with chronic vomiting shouldn't CIO. My husband would never DREAM of suggesting it to me with Jax...with Brady he could let him cry all night if that were the case!

Jax actually sleeps in our room on a wedge in the top of a pack/n/play. He used to be up SO much thru the night with vomiting we needed him next to us. (Sigh...) I can't even imagine the day of him being in HIS room some day right?

I can't believe I've never asked you - how do you put the boys to bed? On a wedge in their crib, a pillow under their mattress? What? 

Even our GI has said that they don't see why we don't let them CIO but they also don't care that they are heaving either because they have no other ideas on how to get this to stop.  Right now they sleep flat in their cribs because the wedge makes them roll back and forth too far and get tangled in their tubes.   They don't mind being flat now, but it took a long time for them to get used to it.  But before that they were on a mattress with a wedge underneath.  I would have done a sleep positioner but they started rolling in their sleep and then instantly they started rolling during play so I don't want to inhibit accidental learning for them. 

Before the GJ tubes they were sleeping in bouncy chairs in their cribs on a wedge so they were REALLY elevated and it seemed to help their reflux, back when they weren't heaving in their sleep.  They only throw up in their sleep about every other night but there is very little warning when it happens.  They throw up about one to 5 times a day, most of the time throwing up their reflux meds.  And the vomiting is worst in the mornings when my DH does the 5am meds.

sweater

Mornings are the worst. My GI calls it the witching hour. He said it's about 2-6am....kicks our butts here every morning!

Have they ever suggested putting meds in the jtube? we put nothing in the g...well...we also leave it vented all day and replace with pedialyte in the j...isn't that ridiculous? nothing in his stomach...ever..at all....geeze louise this will be a loooong road...?

lstaylor73

Right now no, they don't want us putting anything but food in the J.  I was putting the polytrivisol in the J but they said it would have no effect because it needs to be digested with the stomach.  So we just stopped giving the vitamins anyway. 

2am to 6am is our witching hour too!!  We have no idea what to do next except to try a chiro and keep working on the infant massage.  But it is slow going since I'm the only one doing it and I"m still learning.  And they're not very tollerant sometimes because of the sensory delay.  

How does the Chiro actually manipulate Jax?  I envision him twisting necks and popping backs etc.  Just curious.

jlc071903

We don't do CIO...my girls are GREAT sleepers. My pedi says it's from living in the NICU for 13 weeks, but who knows....I do what lutzcowgirlie said she did...I let them fuss to see if they will calm down and then I'll go in..oh whom am I kidding, I let Sydney fuss and sometimes she'll calm herself down and other times she needs mommy or daddy...Olivia RARELY if ever needs us!

jd0614

We did CIO for my singleton, but the twins never needed it, they just started doing it on their own.

Rose.9.6.03

One of my girls I never had to do CIO with.  She was STTN from 2.5 months on.  She's just been a great sleeper.

My other one we used CIO to finally get her to STTN at 11.5 months b/c I just couldn't take it any more.  And she's been STTN ever since.

 But my recommendation is not to do it unless you want to.  Don't feel pressured by anyone else to do it.  It's a hard process and if you are otherwise happy (or at least dealing with) the night wakings, then that's okay.  Particularly with a medical issue.

 I tried a couple of non-CIO sleep method books before I turned to CIO.  They didn't work for me, but I've got a friends for whom they did work.  So you might read the "No Cry Sleep Solution" and the "Baby Sleep Solution."  Hopefully, you can get your little ones to sleep without CIO.  Best of luck.

susanb

I couldn't just let my girls cry, but I needed sleep so we did a modified thing that worked and made me feel good about it. The whole point is to teach them that YES, you're leaving them in their crib(s) but you're coming back and you'll always be there for them. You're teaching them to be secure and feel safe in their room/crib.

We would put them down awake (very important) and leave.

They would cry, we would immediately come back in, pick up whomever was crying, cuddle/kiss and put right back down and leave again.

If they started crying again (and they will the first night at least) we'd repeat the process.. and repeat, repeat, repeat..

We did it a couple of hundred times the first night, maybe 50 the second night, a handful the third night and everyone slept all night the fourth. Basically you're just teaching them to trust that you'll come back, you're not deserting them and it's OK to be alone in the crib.  We did it and never looked back.

gymrat

We're the pat & shush people. At the beginning we'd be right at their sides if they were crying. We were always afraid of one waking the other. When we finally decided that they needed to learn to soothe themselves we would put them down awake and let them whine and fuss it out. If it got to the "uncontrollable crying" point we go in and pat and shush them to sleep.

My son can soothe himself very well and it didn't take long for him. He now STTN. Our daughter is still having troubles but I'm kind of blaming that on first taking her swaddle away and then she got her first cold and 3 teeth at once so it's taking her awhile to get back into the groove. We've been patting & shushing her a lot. But, we never, ever pick her up anymore (only when she's sick) because when we do that it takes forever to break her of it. 

And Marshall actually sleeps right through it all. Plus, if he's whining at the beginning of sleep time it actually soothes Ce to sleep.