Cosleepers: This pis$ed me off

zach'swife

An article in a local paper about "safe sleeping":

 https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/article/20090110/NEWS01/901100313

mrsrose16

Me too! I hate people sometimes.

niceneese

So I realize that as a cosleeper it may piss you off but its true. I've been there due to work and frankly I don't think any parents understand until they've seen a baby die due to cosleeping. I'm not saying there isn't a way to do it safely  (with a cosleeper in the bed) but frankly I think its irresponsible to sleep with a baby just laying next to you in bed.

Bejebus

Yes- because lord knows every baby who ever coslept has died. 

HATE.  

violetvirgo

that's an ignorant generalization.  i definitely think there are safe ways to co-sleep, though.  co-sleeping in other cultures do not produce higher instances of infant death, fyi.  when i was studying at columbia to get my ms in public health, researching the way different cultures cared for their infants. 

but i suppose it's like childbirth - the u.s. has the highest rate of c/s and medical intervention and also the highest infant mortality rate than any other industrialized country.  could be correclational....could be causal...

 just my two cents.

klink11

I see that it may upset you but unfortunatly and as a pp suggested it's true.

mrsrose16

klink11:

I see that it may upset you but unfortunatly and as a pp suggested it's true.

research to back up your "it's true" claim?

https://babyreference.com/Cosleeping&SIDSFactSheet.htm

OSUx2

While we don't co-sleep I see no problem with it if it is done right.  That article was just a scare tactic and not necessary.  I also have a hard time believing that every night for a year there was a co-sleeping death in one county.

mlf625

What a stupid generalization. ?That last line in particular. ?We don't even so-sleep that often any more and this still bugs the crap out of me.

FWIW, I know 2 babies who died of SIDS last year. ?Both were in cribs. ?Should I now write an article about baby killing cribs???

klink11

mrsrose16:

klink11:

I see that it may upset you but unfortunatly and as a pp suggested it's true.

research to back up your "it's true" claim?

https://babyreference.com/Cosleeping&SIDSFactSheet.htm

Look I am not trying to start a argument of what you think is right over what I think, but I have done my research.

I also have a sister who is a crime lab tech and her profession deals with this first hand. She is the one that has seen it, she is the one who is educated about it and that is the person I  trust. Do you? Have you ever had document this scenerio? I don't think so, so I would aprreciate you not calling me out.

mrsrose16

klink11:

mrsrose16:

klink11:

I see that it may upset you but unfortunatly and as a pp suggested it's true.

research to back up your "it's true" claim?

https://babyreference.com/Cosleeping&SIDSFactSheet.htm

Look I am not trying to start a argument of what you think is right over what I think, but I have done my research.

I also have a sister who is a crime lab tech and her profession deals with this first hand. She is the one that has seen it, she is the one who is educated about it and that is the person I  trust. Do you? Have you ever had document this scenerio? I don't think so, so I would aprreciate you not calling me out.

I just like to have facts, that's all. My ds slept in his crib from day one, no complaint. My dd on the other hand would not. I've been on both sides of the fence, and I don't feel that one is necessarly safer than the other. I hate when people use scare tactics like that article.

zach'swife

Bin:

While we don't co-sleep I see no problem with it if it is done right.  That article was just a scare tactic and not necessary.  I also have a hard time believing that every night for a year there was a co-sleeping death in one county.

Exactly. What pissed me off was the scare tactic this article was meant to be. Not educational, but irrational fear-mongering. 

klink11

mrsrose16:

klink11:

mrsrose16:

klink11:

I see that it may upset you but unfortunatly and as a pp suggested it's true.

research to back up your "it's true" claim?

https://babyreference.com/Cosleeping&SIDSFactSheet.htm

Look I am not trying to start a argument of what you think is right over what I think, but I have done my research.

I also have a sister who is a crime lab tech and her profession deals with this first hand. She is the one that has seen it, she is the one who is educated about it and that is the person I  trust. Do you? Have you ever had document this scenerio? I don't think so, so I would aprreciate you not calling me out.

I just like to have facts, that's all. My ds slept in his crib from day one, no complaint. My dd on the other hand would not. I've been on both sides of the fence, and I don't feel that one is necessarly safer than the other. I hate when people use scare tactics like that article.

 

I agree. I have never called anyone out for doing what they need to or what they feel is right. They are the Mother, they get to choose. And yes it is a scare tactic but not aimed at you, the ones that do research and make wise decisions. It's aimed at those who don't do anything in order to provide a safe environment for their child, and they outnumber us. In their defense it's the only tool they have.
I wasn't trying to argue by any means but having a family member who deals in the same field I can certainly understand.

 

klink11

zach'swife:

Bin:

While we don't co-sleep I see no problem with it if it is done right.  That article was just a scare tactic and not necessary.  I also have a hard time believing that every night for a year there was a co-sleeping death in one county.

Exactly. What pissed me off was the scare tactic this article was meant to be. Not educational, but irrational fear-mongering. 

But you have to conside who they are trying to reach it's not you, the Mother who is doing everthing in her power to educate herself and make the best decision. It's the Mother who throws the baby in the bed to nurse, drunk, while smoking.  (and this does happen). He can't prevent her from doing it, a scare tactic is his only hope.

 

Echowysp

niceneese:

So I realize that as a cosleeper it may piss you off but its true. I've been there due to work and frankly I don't think any parents understand until they've seen a baby die due to cosleeping. I'm not saying there isn't a way to do it safely  (with a cosleeper in the bed) but frankly I think its irresponsible to sleep with a baby just laying next to you in bed.

I didn't read the article, but you do realize that much of the world cosleeps and their babies are fine?

Erin Mary Ackerman

"My sister is a crime lab tech" means nothing.  Second hand experience is just that, second hand.

If YOU were a crime lab tech you might have a point!

Marie Tourville

::headdesk::

 

Co-sleeping, when done right, is SAFE! It has been proven to reduce SIDS.  If you don't have facts to back up the shiit you spew then please keep your drivel to yourself.  Scare tactics and false statements just piss people like me off.

MrsGo4Hockeychick

BrahimBride:

"My sister is a crime lab tech" means nothing.  Second hand experience is just that, second hand.

If YOU were a crime lab tech you might have a point!

my aunt works for the ME and thinks it's great that we cosleep.

But, her opinion wouldn't make or break whether we did it or not. I did my research, and know when done correctly it's safe. The US is one of very few countries where it's normal to put a baby in a crib in another room of the house and leave them there all night. Yet, we have the highest SIDS rates....if we're truly to be so proud of teaching mothers ways to put baby to sleep safely, wouldn't our numbers be lower??? 

klink11

BrahimBride:

"My sister is a crime lab tech" means nothing.  Second hand experience is just that, second hand.

If YOU were a crime lab tech you might have a point!

So any research you repeat on hear isn't considered "second hand"?

MrsGo4Hockeychick

klink11:

BrahimBride:

"My sister is a crime lab tech" means nothing.  Second hand experience is just that, second hand.

If YOU were a crime lab tech you might have a point!

So any research you repeat on hear isn't considered "second hand"?

if your sister did research on it, then by all means, show it. If she didn't, it's just an opinion....

 

and you know what they saw about those...

Erin Mary Ackerman

klink11:

BrahimBride:

"My sister is a crime lab tech" means nothing.  Second hand experience is just that, second hand.

If YOU were a crime lab tech you might have a point!

So any research you repeat on hear isn't considered "second hand"?

Well peer reviewed scientific journal articles vs. "my sister says"

mmmmm, let me think it over..

 

klink11

Hippy:

::headdesk::

 

Co-sleeping, when done right, is SAFE! It has been proven to reduce SIDS.  If you don't have facts to back up the shiit you spew then please keep your drivel to yourself.  Scare tactics and false statements just piss people like me off.

I agree co-sleeping can be good for some people, I have never said otherwise. I, on the otherhand do not trust myself (it would be very dangerous for us) as I have a tendency to push DH out of a king size bed, DD sleeps in cradle next to me. Yes there is a risk there with SIDS as well, I can not control every aspect. 

And yes it is a scare tactic but unfortunatly when you see certain scenerios over and over and you ave an opportunity to reach a large population, most of whom do not educate themselves on these matters to the extent as you, it's what they can do. People do not have the tolerance to read reasoning but bare minimums and bottom lines. Believe me they don't enjoy and don't want to see another baby in that predicament.

 

klink11

BrahimBride:

klink11:

BrahimBride:

"My sister is a crime lab tech" means nothing.  Second hand experience is just that, second hand.

If YOU were a crime lab tech you might have a point!

So any research you repeat on hear isn't considered "second hand"?

Well peer reviewed scientific journal articles vs. "my sister says"

mmmmm, let me think it over..

 

My question was:
So any research you repeat on hear isn't considered "second hand"?

I do a lot of research, but I also listen & trust someone that continually educates themselves on these issues. I have never put down or ridiculed anyones decisions on here, I have only spoke of "myself personally". If you want to co-sleep, knock your socks off, if you want to feed rice from day one, more power to you, What do I care, for all I know you have a iron rod and 2 dingleberries and I am not going to lose any sleep over it, that's for sure.

Erin Mary Ackerman

klink11:

BrahimBride:

klink11:

BrahimBride:

"My sister is a crime lab tech" means nothing.  Second hand experience is just that, second hand.

If YOU were a crime lab tech you might have a point!

So any research you repeat on hear isn't considered "second hand"?

Well peer reviewed scientific journal articles vs. "my sister says"

mmmmm, let me think it over..

 

My question was:
So any research you repeat on hear isn't considered "second hand"?

I do a lot of research, but I also listen & trust someone that continually educates themselves on these issues. I have never put down or ridiculed anyones decisions on here, I have only spoke of "myself personally". If you want to co-sleep, knock your socks off, if you want to feed rice from day one, more power to you, What do I care, for all I know you have a iron rod and 2 dingleberries and I am not going to lose any sleep over it, that's for sure.

wow.. didn't see that coming..you're a little touched aren't you?

klink11

Unsure what you mean by "touched"? All I meant was that I have no idea who you are and am emotionally uninvolved in the decisions you make.

Marie Tourville

klink11:

And yes it is a scare tactic but unfortunatly when you see certain scenerios over and over and you ave an opportunity to reach a large population, most of whom do not educate themselves on these matters to the extent as you, it's what they can do. People do not have the tolerance to read reasoning but bare minimums and bottom lines. Believe me they don't enjoy and don't want to see another baby in that predicament.

 

 

Research SIDS rates.  That should scare you.  Seriously...enough with the 'co-sleeping is evil" stuff.  VERY few children die from co-sleeping each year.  Most of those were in unsafe conditions.  THOUSANDS of babies die from SIDS each year.   If I posted every time a child died from crib death you'd be all over me telling me to stop.

klink11

Hippy:

klink11:

And yes it is a scare tactic but unfortunatly when you see certain scenerios over and over and you ave an opportunity to reach a large population, most of whom do not educate themselves on these matters to the extent as you, it's what they can do. People do not have the tolerance to read reasoning but bare minimums and bottom lines. Believe me they don't enjoy and don't want to see another baby in that predicament.

 

 

Research SIDS rates.  That should scare you.  Seriously...enough with the 'co-sleeping is evil" stuff.  VERY few children die from co-sleeping each year.  Most of those were in unsafe conditions.  THOUSANDS of babies die from SIDS each year.   If I posted every time a child died from crib death you'd be all over me telling me to stop.

klink11

Hippy:

klink11:

And yes it is a scare tactic but unfortunatly when you see certain scenerios over and over and you ave an opportunity to reach a large population, most of whom do not educate themselves on these matters to the extent as you, it's what they can do. People do not have the tolerance to read reasoning but bare minimums and bottom lines. Believe me they don't enjoy and don't want to see another baby in that predicament.

 

 

Research SIDS rates.  That should scare you.  Seriously...enough with the 'co-sleeping is evil" stuff.  VERY few children die from co-sleeping each year.  Most of those were in unsafe conditions.  THOUSANDS of babies die from SIDS each year.   If I posted every time a child died from crib death you'd be all over me telling me to stop.

Didn't let me type.

I have kept up with a lot of the new newest SIDS info findings via my sister (she just went to a month long seminar at the state, required) & research. They now believe SIDS is geneitic or at least there could be "pre-disposing" factors. Also babies at higher risk are African Americans, boys, and smokers. They say things like ceiling fans can help but space heaters are "no-no"'s. I don't fall under any of the "tytpical" scenerios's, but I know this doesn't disqualify my DD.

Oh and I never post things like this, it just stirs the pot.