TWW Weekend 10/23&24

optimistgardener

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Testing: 

R/R: 

CS/Q:

optimistgardener

ok @paytonpedro i'm switching camps; i finally got my temp bump. hope your get yours soon too

Month/Cycle: 

CD/DPO: 15/either 1 or 3, depending on whether you go by temp or opk/ovulation pain.

Timing: either good or terrible

Typical LP length: obnoxiously long at 15-16 days

Testing: 12dpo maybe, just to put me out of my misery.

R/R: giant windstorm coming through! it was like freight-train last night howling around the house (that's a rave, btw.  i love wild storms). my rant is that my Sunday is going to be jam-packed with prep-work for Monday. But at least maybe I can do it with some big warm mugs of tea to keep me company.

CS/Q:

paytonpedro

@optimistgardener yay!!! I’m going to hang out in wto for a little longer! I had a few drinks last night, didn’t go to bed until 2am, and royally screwed up my chart 🤦🏼‍♀️

optimistgardener

@paytonpedro those drinks were worth it.

paytonpedro

@optimistgardener I put my chart in wto. I’m not entirely sure they were 🤦🏼‍♀️🤣🤣

Paturkey

Hey @optimistgardener! I'll hang with you Glad you got your temp bump and FX that your timing was good. Enjoy that hot tea.

Month/Cycle: 2/2

CD/DPO: 19/7 (6)

Timing: O, +1 (-1, O)

Typical LP length: 11

Testing: maybe next Saturday if AF hasn't shown? Should be here Fri or Sat depending on O.

R/R: Feeling like only raves today. It's perfectly autumnal weather today and we walked to the farmer's market then on a 5-mile loop around the river, stopping for a pint on the way home. It honestly couldn't have been more lovely. Plus I'm wearing a fabulous dress that I had layered up with a wool cardigan, wool shawl and my sneakers which made the walk possible. A really lovely day and I'm feeling rather fabulous The only thing that would make it better would be the American football being on tv so I could spend the rest of the day chilling on the couch watching. (I can get it here, it's just stupidly expensive).

CS/Q: Nah. Still resigned to O at CD 12-13 inconclusive.

optimistgardener

hey there @paturkey your morning sounds great so far! i love how somehow the right outfit can bump everything up a notch or three. it's amazing how fast it seems like we went from the heat of summer into full-scale autumn. we're losing all our leaves here and even our native white oaks, not normally good on color shifts, have figured out how to be pretty for a few days before they go brown. I've got my fx that your timing turned out perfect.

annanbby

Love how we're all raving about the weather today!

Month/Cycle: 2/2

CD/DPO: 16/4

Timing: Not great; -2

Typical LP length: I'm not even sure now?? Apparently O is earlier than I always thought, or the first full month of temping just so happens to be a weird one. I guess we'll find out.

Testing: Probably not.

R/R: It's supposed to rain for two days straight starting in about an hour and I'm here for it. Just sipping my coffee with a window cracked, and a chocolate chip cookie I baked last night.

CS/Q: I think O was actually super clear this month, but then two days later I had a random bit of fertile CM and I don't know what to think of that.

optimistgardener

@annanbby yo! actually -2 is pretty good timing. If you feel like nerding out about it, here's an article:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199512073332301

the TL/DR graph from the same study:

Paturkey

@annanbby Coffee, rain and a fresh baked cookie? That sounds amazing!

@optimistgardener It's just so nice when the leaves turn, even if it's just a few. I love fall. And thanks for the article link and bar chart! I will definitely go read it 👍

acleverusername

*lurking*
Technically I’m in TWW but also doing stims so pointless to contribute. I’m just here for @optimistgardener’s science! 🤓

Also, @Paturkey remind me where you live that you can’t get NFL for a reasonable price?

Paturkey

@acleverusername I’m in the UK. I’d need to sign up for a cable sports package and I’m too cheap 😂 Plus the games are usually on late so I don’t get to watch as much I’d like. I did watch the London games, though, which they showed live on regular tv 👍🏼

optimistgardener

@acleverusername i knew some science would lure you in! You'll no doubt notice this is an ancient article (pub. 1995!). Still, I think the basic principles under examination here haven't changed that much, and it's not exactly rocket science to do these kinds of calculations. Spoilering the rest of my chatter because long and nerdy.

For obvious reasons, I've been kind of obsessed with trying to figure out what my realistic window is for timing things like fresh inseminations vs. frozen IUIs, so I've read a lot of the accessible lit on the subject. There are other studies out there that readjust the #s a bit here and there for probability of conception, but the gist remains the same: -2, -1, and O day are all basically excellent timing if you're dealing with fresh semen. -3 sees big drop-offs, and +1 also drops the #s down to basically nothing in this study. However, it's worth finessing these #s a little bit to incorporate the reality of how these processes play out. For example, I'm guessing that a -2 timing in which insemination happened in the morning, whereas ovulation took place in the evening two days later would be less likely than an evening insem and a morning ov two days later. Also, ovulation takes some hours, and is not just like *popping sound effect* boom, the egg leaps on stage. Sperm likewise take a little while to get from vaginal canal to the fallopian tube, so that's worth thinking about as well. There's a strong train of thought in the world of IUI timing (and especially with respect to frozen sperm) that it's actually better to time the IUI for shortly after follicle rupture, so that the egg is actually waiting for the sperm when it gets there. This is basically the opposite of the thought process for TI, which wants to make sure the sperm are waiting for egg. I guess the logic here is that in a TI context, fresh sperm can kinda hang out for a while and will slowly dissipate into the uterus after hanging out for a while near the cervix, and find their way to the fallopian tube, producing a "slow release" effect that maximizes the chance of encountering an egg when it is ready. IUI-ready sperm have been stripped of the nutrients and cozy environment they might otherwise rely on for a strategic pause (thanks to the "washing" process) and have a substantially shortened life-span when it comes to just chillin' in the reproductive system. Plus they've been injected directly into the uterus, which means they're more likely to just spill out of the fallopian tube lickety split instead of the "slow release" thing described above. The decline is accelerated for frozen sperm, which seemingly have even fewer resources.

annanbby

@optimistgardener Ahh! So interesting! Totally read through that whole article and then went looking for more like it well that's encouraging, definitely thought this cycle was a hard miss. lol

optimistgardener

@annanbby glad you found it useful! of course, even with good timing there's all sorts of other potential obstacles, but at least you're in the window where sperm and egg can find each other. Definitely encouraging!

optimistgardener

@Paturkey suddenly it all makes sense as to why you'd be out having a pint after a 5-mile walk when i was still trying to find my way to the bottom of my coffee cup this morning. I had been doing the math in my head like... well i guess they could have started their walk really early, and then had like a mid-morning brunch pint?

Paturkey

@optimistgardener Haha, yeah, we went out at about 1 pm 😁

ETA I love the mental work you did to make it seem like a plausible thing at that hour!

annanbby

@optimistgardener ya I'm definitely still feeling like timing could've been better, but I'm glad to know at least there's still a somewhat decent chance. We actually tried day of O, but hubby is still adjusting to the timing aspect so I think it was a bit of a mood killer lol otherwise we'd have been right on it.

optimistgardener

@Paturkey i like to give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to morning drinking

acleverusername

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