Chart Stalk/Questions - August

inthewoods23

Ask away!

catem07

Hi! Returning to the board now that we're TTC again. I intro'd in the newbie thread.

Trying to figure out O day this month. On CD15 I was sick and on CD16 it was reallllly hot (no AC). So I think those temp rises are inaccurate. I had to get up at 3:30a on CD18 so didn't bother with temp. 

Past months O day is CD15 (June), CD18 (June), CD16 (May), CD17 (April), so I'm skeptical it would go down to CD14 this month. I think it's probably CD17 but interested in other thoughts (like maybe my illness and the ambient temp don't matter?). I'll know soon enough since I have a short 10-11 day LP  

m6agua

I am going to say with the temps, being sick and your CM that O day was CD17. Assuming you haven't had any fertile fluid after that.

[Deleted User]

Yeah, I agree cd17.  Without the cm data you could argue ID I guess?  But combined with the cm data, no question.  Did you mark those two high temp days as sick in FF?  That could also have delayed o.  If you do that, I'd be surprised if FF doesn't move your ch. @catem07

catem07

@BusinessWife oh I didn't know you could mark a day as sick! Thank you. I did that. Based on that and today's temp it's saying CD19 which I'm a little skeptical of (but I'm not great at tracking CM so I might have had EWCM on 18 and 19).  But we'll see. 

shamrocandroll

Okay, so I have a SMEP question.  I usually get my +OPK the day before I O.  So, by following SMEP, I'd be HIO EOD from CD 8 until my +OPK, and then 3 days of ED, which would give me -1, O, and +1 timing... but then SMEP says to skip a day and do one more after the 3 days in a row after +OPK.  So that would be +3 for me.  I don't really understand what the +3 does.  Is it just in case I'm off by a day or two on O?  It's just that I'm on CD 19 with no + yet and I've been HIO EOD since CD 8 and I'm Just. So. Tired!!!!!!  Haha

begging4abump

@shamrocandroll lol I’ve been there. I think I’ve asked this exact question before. I did run into some research that said that the temp shift may not necessarily happen right when we think it does in relation to ovulation. “The study found, somewhat shockingly, that only 13 percent of women have a BBT rise within one day of ovulation. For many of the women in the study, BBT did not rise until more than two days after ovulation.” (https://www.avawomen.com/avaworld/slow-bbt-rise-why-it-happens-what-it-means/ the website also has a link to the study.) Have you been monitored before to know when you’re ovulating? I guess if the shift happens later than we think, then you should be good though. 🤷🏻‍♀️ So I guess what I’m trying to say is, I have no idea. 😂 When in doubt, hio? 😉 

shamrocandroll

@begging4abump I guess that might explain why my temp didn't rise until CD 20 last month (and looking to be at least that this month), but my temp spikes always align with what my OPKs tell me, and my LP is consistently 13-14 days, so I am just confused.  But then if my temp rise isn't until 2+ days post O, then that +3 would be even more ludicrous, right?  I guess I just want someone to tell me I don't need the +3, because this is exhausting. 

ETA: No, I haven't been monitored.  Just ~a year of self-tracking 

mvt2003

@shamrocandroll I'm obviously not a SMEP expert, but I think that basically covers you for the whole 12-48 hour window of potential ovulation after a positive OPK. I agree, I am EXHAUSTED after FW this cycle. So. Freaking. Tired!!!

bows22

@shamrocandroll I would 100% skip the +3.

Disclaimer - I know nothing about SMEP so I may not be the best source haha 

[Deleted User]

Not an expert either, but I'm thinking that's got to be a cover your bases type of thing, I wouldn't worry about if you are tired and/or pretty confident in charting. @shamrocandroll. How's your chart looking today????

shamrocandroll

@BusinessWife Still no signs of O.  This is officially the latest it's been.  Which makes me nervous.  But hey, what doesn't make me nervous these days?

[Deleted User]

Bahh. @shamrocandroll post it pls.  Are you still HIO?  Or did you call it?

shamrocandroll

@BusinessWife Still HIO.  O was on CD20 last cycle, so still holding out hope.  Just really hope it doesn't keep getting longer!

[Deleted User]

Oh wow. You are a trooper!  @shamrocandroll that cd12 fakeout tho. 😣 Fx for a nice rise soon... Are your cycles at least regular-ish?  I would think you could even wait to start till like cd10 or even cd12?  If it helps you guys keep things going longer...  But fx this does the trick and there is no next time until you are tfas!  :D

photographerwife

@shamrocandroll You’re a trooper! I hope you get your temp rise soon!!! 

shamrocandroll

@BusinessWife Haha, so we didn't intend to start on CD8, but MH was feeling particularly amorous that evening.  So at least that was a fun one where I wasn't being a TTGP drill sergeant.    Then figured may as well keep up the EOD from there.  My cycles have been fairly regular, but definitely changed **TW after my 2 losses** end TW.  I usually O around CD 18 or so, but last cycle it was 20, then this cycle is looking to be even later.  My LP shortened by a day last cycle, but was still 13 days, so I figured not a huge deal.  I just hope it doesn't keep trending that way!  I never O as early as CD12, and I slept horribly that night, so I didn't put too much stock in that jump, thankfully.  

inthewoods23

Does anyone have experience with a fitness watch/band that measures blood pressure in addition to heart rate? I've been curious how mine fluctuates with my emotions since it can escalate a bit quickly sometimes. Do they work pretty good at measuring blood pressure? Any recommendations on brand? I'm not looking to spend a whole lot.

kiki047

Need some FF expert opinions here. Do you have any ideas how FF uses progesterone in the Advanced mode to calculate O date? 

I forgot to record progesterone in my meds for CD 15, and FF had already given me my CH. All good. I think it was a day early based on O pain but within range according to my trigger and temp rise. 

But when I was updating my meds this week I noticed I forgot the day of progesterone on CD15, and when I add it, FF takes away my CH. I played with other symptoms and settings and that’s the only thing that seems to affect it. Changing from advanced to FAM gave me my solid CH back but that’s based on temps alone if I remember correctly, so what gives? 

And on FAM as of this morning for good measure: 

NYTino24

@kiki047 What’s your normal temp jump like? 

kiki047

@NYTino24 3dpo and 4dpo are very high but 1dpo, 2dpo and 4dpo are seemingly right in line with normal. 

NYTino24

@kiki047 Hmmm... I normally see about a .4-.6 degree F jump when I O. 

kiki047

@NYTino24 I usually see a slight dip, then a clear shift (sometimes happens over 2 days). Based on O pain I thought I O’d on CD15 but I’m curious why FF takes away my CH when I input progesterone in my meds on CD15. I tried adding and removing progesterone on other days and it doesn’t change my chart, just Cd15. 

prpl11butterfly

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@kiki047 you have to leave the P out for a few (3-4) days. You will still only get dotted crosshairs BUT FF won't "feel":confident confirming O when you are elevating your temps artificially.

kiki047

@prpl11butterfly ahh that makes sense. Thank you! I figured there had to be a real reason but this is my first time on progesterone and I hadn’t heard/seen this before so this was new for me. Hope all is well! 

bows22

Chart in spoiler above 

I’m not sure if I believe my temp today, do you think we should HIO again? If so, when? 

I need to maximize my chances for ...

mvt2003

@bows22 I would do it again today and tomorrow. My OPK is also freaking me out - I barely got a peak reading once last night, I'm back down to high today. Something is in the water right now! 

gingermama29

I say HIO!

tyrion_

Omg @gingermama29, that gif made me laugh so hard 

shamrocandroll

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@bows22 Yes, if you're following SMEP, HIO today too!  Unfortunately when you get your + OPK the day after the last EOD BD, it means HIO 4 days in a row.  As far as when, I have no advice.  I did all PM sessions.  SMEP also calls for skipping a day after the 3 days straight after +  and then one more HIO.  I skipped that last one because I was at +3 at that point and had my crosshairs.  Plus tired. 

bows22

@gingermama29 I thought of you when I typed HIO but I hate saying BD and using “have sex” seems so formal! Now I don’t know what to say!

gingermama29

@bows22 oh goodness, keep using HIO. Don't stop on my account!!
Edited to add I was going for lighthearted and funny. Apologies if it didn't read that way.

bows22

@shamrocandroll Not really following SMEP...I think my body is weird because looking back at prior charts I almost always O the same day as my first positive OPK. So I would end up with +1, +2, +4? . Instead we have been trying every 1.5 days if we can and then throw in an extra when I get the + OPK

But! I do think we need to keep going right now, I’m just not sure if tonight is “too soon” since we did last night and this morning. But if I wait until morning and let the swimmers build up again, it might be too late? And also the morning is always a gamble. Ah decisions!

bows22

@gingermama29 oh no you are fine!! The gif is hilarious! But when I read your post in WTO I was second guessing myself like yikes am I weird for using that?? 

m6agua

@bows22 it looks like you already HIO for today... did you have any fertile CM today? If so I would HIO tomorrow too. If not, I would say your good to take a break as I think O would be either CD18 or 19

bows22

@m6agua thank you! Yes I still have some fertile CM (I usually do for a day or 2 after O). But I do think one more time for good measure couldn’t hurt. 

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