Trying to Get Pregnant
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TTCAL w/o 12/10
kgg2241
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**This is a general trigger warning that CP, miscarriage/spontaneous abortion, selective abortion due to medical complications, and/or stillbirth may be mentioned.**
Introduce yourself and anything you think is important: number of loss(es), when you had the loss(es), diagnosis/conditions surrounding loss, etc.
Status:
How are things going? What is something that you are struggling with this week? What is going well for you this week? R/R?
Any testing coming up/any recent results?
GTKY? What is your dream job?
Re: TTCAL w/o 12/10
How is everyone!?
Introduce yourself and anything you think is important: number of loss(es), when you had the loss(es), diagnosis/conditions surrounding loss, etc. MMC 6/18
Status: TWW
How are things going? What is something that you are struggling with this week? What is going well for you this week? R/R? I've been feeling pretty down and haven't been in a good place to be supportive. I really thought I'd be pregnant again by my EDD and that doesn't look like it is going to happen. Rave: I have been so busy with work travel and family stuff the last couple weeks, so that has been good. We have a bunch of parties to go to this weekend, so I'm excited to dress up and have fun.
Any testing coming up/any recent results? I'll test on Friday at 11dpo. We were technically supposed to be benched this cycle, but I didn't do a great job at following directions lol.
GTKY? What is your dream job? I think an artist. But only if I didn't have to worry about money...
@kgg2241the hope to be preg prior is a deep seated one. I'm sorry that it's not looking promising. It's good that you've kept busy. Have an awesome time this weekend! My work party is Sat and I'm pretty excited too, always a good time watching coworkers get drunk!
Introduce yourself and anything you think is important: number of loss(es), when you had the loss(es), diagnosis/conditions surrounding loss, etc. 3 losses this year (mmc in Feb, CP in Sept, MMC in Nov)
Status: WFAF/benched
How are things going? What is something that you are struggling with this week? What is going well for you this week? R/R? RE tomorrow. I'm useless at work because I have too many thoughts. I'm excited and worried and all sort of other things. I had a brutal migrane for 4 days (Fri to Mon) and I'm out of triptans until the 27th. The MC hormone issues caused way to many of those.... After my appt we are taking the day to do some shopping and just hang out together which will be great. We are also planning a weekend trip that I'm pretty stoked about.
Any testing coming up/any recent results? RE tomorrow so I'm assuming lots and lots of tests.....
GTKY? What is your dream job? To own my own aquatic pet store. It's probably my retirement plan 😊
Introduce yourself and anything you think is important: number of loss(es), when you had the loss(es), diagnosis/conditions surrounding loss, etc. I had a MMC on 11/16. Opted to do the medication in order to have it happen in private at home over the weekend, and confirmed a clear ultrasound on 11/28.
Status: I haven't had a period yet, but my OB said there's no reason we can't start trying again. But that puts me in a weird place where I have no clue where I am in my cycle. I'm taking OPKs but no definite positives yet. I'll start tracking and temping seriously after I get my period. We're not seriously trying this cycle, but we're not using backup BC either. So, like I said... I don't really know where I go right now.
How are things going? What is something that you are struggling with this week? What is going well for you this week? R/R? We would have been announcing right about now, so I'm struggling. My husband is also a courier for FedEx, and this time of year is always a struggle because I basically don't see him. My family is 3ish hours away, and I've been feeling generally lonely and bummed.
Any testing coming up/any recent results? I'll start peeing on sticks in a week or so, I guess.
GTKY? What is your dream job? I'm not really sure! I don't think I could handle being a SAHM, but something part-time would be great if money was no object. I'd love to work for one of the non-profits I volunteer at, again if money was no object.
Married Sept. 2013
DS1: Nov 11, 2016
MMC: 11/16/18 (9w6d)
CP: 2/3/19 (5w3d)
BFP! 8/24/19
DS2: May 10, 2020
@prpl11butterfly We had a 200 gallon reef tank for a few years and it was amazing. So much work though.
@kgg2241 Good luck on Friday, I'll keep my FX for you!
Introduce yourself and anything you think is important: number of loss(es), when you had the loss(es), diagnosis/conditions surrounding loss, etc. 3 MMC's and 2 CP's.
Status: Benched.
How are things going? What is something that you are struggling with this week? What is going well for you this week? R/R? My first appointment with the RE is tomorrow. I have so many thoughts and I'm not sure if I'm excited or nervous. I'm definitely nervous about having to pay out of pocket, but it's worth it if I can get some answers.
Any testing coming up/any recent results? Like @prpl11butterfly said, I'm sure there will be lots of tests. I assume we'll start with labs once CD 1 gets here.
GTKY? What is your dream job? Something with animals. I would have loved to be a large animal vet or to work at an animal sanctuary. Unfortunately, I don't have the math skills to get me the degrees I would need. 🤷♀️
ETA: words
@shamrocandroll I am so sorry for you loss. You are definitely welcome here. I'm also sorry about the announcement milestone. That is so so hard and just so unfair.
@ruby696 good luck tomorrow! It is definitely scary, but hopefully you can get some answers or at least know you are doing all you can to move forward.
@ruby696 I hope your appointment goes well w/ the RE & gives you some good info/answers!
@shamrocandroll I'm sorry about your limbo & YH's schedule. I hope you figure something out via the OPKs/answers come soon!
@prpl11butterflyI am glad you have a solid plan for what to do after RE, since it sounds like those tests can be stressful--I am not sure which results you'll know immediately and which you might have to wait for, so retail therapy and a fun weekend = good choices.
@kgg2241I love dressing up. I'm sorry that you haven't felt able to be the support that in turn gets you the support you might need--it can definitely be so hard, but it's gracious of you to know that about yourself. I very much enjoy the dressing up part of parties--you'll look bomb & have a great time.
Introduce yourself and anything you think is important: number of loss(es), when you had the loss(es), diagnosis/conditions surrounding loss, etc. 1 CP in early Oct. of this year.
Status: WTO
How are things going? What is something that you are struggling with this week? What is going well for you this week? R/R? I was hoping (foolishly, I know, I know...) I'd be KU by the holidays so I could tell my one cousin who's KU I was too & shhh not to tell anyone. Her EDD is right around when mine would have been (which I told her--she was in my wedding & we're decently close. I really struggled whether or not to tell her, but I knew she'd be supportive, and I'm glad I did bc she really has been.) I am not sure how/if that's going to affect me in any unexpected ways when I see her (holidays will be the 1st time we've seen each other IRL since the summer). I also will be on the TWW during xmas & I know, I know, I knowwww one can have drinks then even if you're trying, but I am paranoid, esp. since my CP, & won't want to but also I don't want to have to tell my fam why I'm not drinking bc I don't need them knowing we're trying--it will add to the stress of whether or not it happens for me. I think I might fake drinking-- some seltzer & ice in a clear cup couIddd be an alcoholic beverage, no one would know it wasn't. I never get ¡[[{DrUnK}]]! anyway.
Any testing coming up/any recent results? I am using OPK/charting for the first time this cycle (we were NTNP before the CP), and so that's got this whole learning curve built into it, but I *do* enjoy learning.
GTKY? What is your dream job? I want to teach creative writing at a small arts college, preferably somewhere warm. Or own a bookstore that is also a cafe & art gallery. Or--both.
@prpl11butterfly good luck with the RE tomorrow. I hope it gives you some answers and helps you relax your minds with all the thoughts
@shamrocandroll so sorry for your loss. I understand missing family when times are tough. I hope you get to spend more time with DH soon.
@ruby696 good luck at your appointment tomorrow. I hope it helps you answer some questions.
@kagesstarshroom if you want to hold off on the alcohol during TWW, then you should do that. I think it should be whatever makes you feel right. People can put so much pressure about drinking, it can drive one nuts!
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1 LC, girl 5 years old
TTC #2 Summer 2017
BFP 1/5/2018, MC (D & E) 2/23/2018
TTCAL May 2018
BFP 9/20/2018, MC (D & E) 11/16/2018
@shamrocandroll I'm so sorry you're here. Just know that I am thinking of you and sending huge hugs
@prpl11butterfly and @ruby696 good luck at your appts tomorrow!
Introduce yourself and anything you think is important: number of loss(es), when you had the loss(es), diagnosis/conditions surrounding loss, etc. MMC at the end of Oct.
Status: WTO...I think.
How are things going? What is something that you are struggling with this week? What is going well for you this week? R/R?
Rant: I honestly have no idea where I am in my cycle. I had a totally normal period (heavy-ish and 5 days long) which was nice and then I've been using OPKs but have only had relatively low levels for the last week and a half. I should have ovulated the other day, but I highly doubt that happened, so we'll see if I get a later surge or something.
Rave: We had our office potluck and white elephant gift exchange and it was SO FUN! So much amazing food and a lot of hilarious gifts (squatty potty being one of the best). I walked away with a 40 oz. bottle of Rosé, so I'd say I lucked out.
Any testing coming up/any recent results? Nothing coming up until I get a BFP again.
GTKY? What is your dream job? I've always wanted to have a job in the medical field. I am really great with people, so being a doctor would be amazing, but that life just isn't for me. I opted out of being a nurse after I took some nursing classes in HS and got too attached to a patient that passed away. I just can't distance myself emotionally.
Married 8/16/13
BFP#1 DS 11/13/16
BFP# 2 MMC dx @ 13w 10/30/18
BFP# 3 Preemie DD born at 38w (IUGR) on 8/28/19 weighing 5.5lbs. Our little miracle
Picture of similar hat in spoiler
Introduce yourself : 2 MMC this year. 2nd was in mid-November at 12 weeks.
Status: Benched
How are things going? Yesterday was not a good day for me. I think drinking alcohol might be making my grief worse and I cannot control the tears when they start to come, even in public. I swear my heart is in my throat these days. When I got home, DH told me he had client drinks and wouldn't be home for dinner and, really, all I wanted to do was spend time with him. When he got home, pretty late, I tried to talk to him and he said he thinks I need professional help--- not just for this grief (which he says he's also feeling) but for all of the general complaining I do about shit like the weather, commutes, work, etc. I told him 'I don't need him to solve my problems and when I tell him something is bothering me, I am looking for him to give me some love and just tell me it's going to be okay. I can handle my own shit but it's nice to have some emotional support'. He basically said if he cannot give me good advice (read: solve my problems) and have me take it, then he doesn't know how to help me. I said, 'I just told you how you can help me. I need you just to listen and support me. But, from what you're saying, it doesn't seem like you can or want to provide that.'
I think there is a difference between grief and depression, but I'm not sure when one ends and other begins. I am still getting up in the morning and doing all of the things I normally do, taking care of all my responsibilities. I'm not really doing it with a smile on my face and, geez, the holidays are tough when you have just had a tragedy. Who doesn't have a hard time feeling cheerful after someone you love dies??
I guess I just ranted a lot there. My head is all over the place. Thanks for reading that, if you did.
Any testing coming up/any recent results? I have an appointment with a recurrent miscarriage person in January.
GTKY? What is your dream job? I've always wanted to be a dog sled guide. I did it once in Quebec and loved it.
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1 LC, girl 5 years old
TTC #2 Summer 2017
BFP 1/5/2018, MC (D & E) 2/23/2018
TTCAL May 2018
BFP 9/20/2018, MC (D & E) 11/16/2018
Totally late to this thread, it’s been quite the week so far.
@prpl11butterfly and @ruby696 good luck with your appts!
Introduce yourself and anything you think is important: number of loss(es), when you had the loss(es), diagnosis/conditions surrounding loss, etc. 5 losses 11/13, 1/17, 11/17, 4/18, 9/18
Status: tww because we messed up. Supposed to be benched.
How are things going? What is something that you are struggling with this week? What is going well for you this week? R/R? I had my first appt with my RE yesterday and I am very happy with the direction we are going. I learned a couple things about progesterone supplementation that kind of annoyed me and I’m glad I’ve learned. Since I am in the tww we’ve added some in to see if that helps. Also getting further testing done for both myself and dh. Overall, very happy with my experience and looking forward to getting some kind of answer.
Any testing coming up/any recent results? Preliminary testing came back normal, just got bw for karyotyping done and will schedule a SIS next month.
GTKY? What is your dream job? A librarian, ever since I was young.
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Introduce yourself and anything you think is important: number of loss(es), when you had the loss(es), diagnosis/conditions surrounding loss, etc. Unexplained RPL. 4 MCs.
Status: CD 5. Uncertain... sorta self-benched NTNP.
How are things going? What is something that you are struggling with this week? What is going well for you this week? R/R? We've reached the end of our time frame. The plan had been to hopefully get KU one last time by the end of 2018, and see if we ended up with a sticky baby or a 5th MC. After well over a year of trying, I got AF over the weekend. So now I don't know what the situation is. Looking at maybe some sort of IUD or something. May be giving up. I just can't believe I've been on this journey for around 4 years, with 4 MC, and I'm walking away to probably be put on BC of some sort and most likely empty arms forever. Hard to think about with the holidays and I'm sort of repressing feelings for now...
GTKY? What is your dream job? Travel blogger or something like that. I can just travel and then talk about how great/awful food, sites, people, etc. are.
prpl11butterfly and ruby696 Good Luck with the REs today ladies! Usually not a ton of tests the first day you go, but scheduling for a ton of tests.
shamrocandroll I’m sorry for your loss, but welcome to our group. Are you waiting to try until after your next AF?
radiohd18 Sorry about the issues with DH. You’ve really got to cut yourself some slack though. I mean, it’s only been about a month since your last MC. You may even still have some of the hormones running through your body (did you track your hcg down to 0?), causing you to be overly emotional about things. But even if not, again, it’s been a month… that grief is still VERY real and the holidays are not an easy time to be feeling grief. Holidays are all about families and children (at least I feel they are), and you just lost a child and the hope of a future through that child. You have to allow yourself to actually feel and to grieve so that you can move past these super heavy emotions (or so my therapist would say). However, that being said, if you feel that alcohol is making you feel worse, then maybe abstain temporarily. Additionally, getting therapy was one of the best things I’ve done for myself in this journey. Now to be fair, I had to go to several before I found the ‘right one.’ But after my second MC I found myself having a hard timing getting off the couch and being interested in doing anything, which is totally unlike me as a Type A outgoing individual. I got a low dose of mood elevators and love my therapist, who helps me a lot.
MC #1: D&C Oct 23, 2015 (7.5 weeks)
MC #2: July 1, 2016 (5.5 weeks)
MC #3: October 17, 2016 (CP)
RE #1: RPL testing November 2016-January 2017
MC #4: Feb. 28, 2017 (CP)
RE #2: Additional RPL testing March-November 2017
MC #5: January 2019 (6.5 weeks)
RE #3: More testing 2023.
Egg Retrieval Sept/Oct 2023, 2 good embryos after PGT-A testing.
Surgery for endometriosis January 2024
Lupron Depo March 2024. Benched 3 months. Hopefully FET after that.
#BitterHagPartyOf1
Introduce yourself and anything you think is important: MC 8/18
Status: WTO, CD11
How are things going? What is something that you are struggling with this week? What is going well for you this week? R/R? Holidays are hard since I picture what it would be like to be 6 months pregnant. But overall I'm doing ok.
Any testing coming up/any recent results? Had an appt with my endocrinologist and he upped my thyroid meds since TSH was high. He said could help with getting pregnant and with weight loss. Fingers crossed.
GTKY? What is your dream job? I would love to be Secretary of Health of the US but will settle for California.
@radiohd18 I am also thinking about going to therapy, not just for the mc but for anxiety, which was made worse by mc. My dh was very supportive since he too felt helpless trying to make me feel better. You have to give yourself time to grieve. Its totally ok. Hope it works out for you.
@kagesstarshroom I'm right there with you. Xmas and New Year fall into my TWW. I will also have to fake drink. I don't want to deal with all the questions either. Helps to have my dh play interference. Good luck.
@dpjennifer I am so sorry about where you find yourself. I cannot imagine. I've been a bit MIA, so sorry if you've already updated everyone, but how did your last therapy appointment go with DH? Still putting a hard no on the adoption conversation? I'll be thinking of you and hope you can find some sort of peace in how you decide to move forward.
@maserrano714 Holidays are the worst. I feel like at other times I don't think about how far along I should be, but with all the family and kid centered stuff my mind automatically goes there during the holidays. Good luck with the new thyroid meds. Hopefully they make a difference.
@kbrown2385 So glad you liked your RE and feel comfortable with how you are moving forward!
@zuuls_mom I totally get it about the nursing thing. I had the same experience and decided it wasn't the right career for me. Good luck figuring out your cycle. I've had a super short LH surge since my MC. I could test just once a day before, but now I test in the AM, at 5:00 PM, and at 10:00 PM before bed.
MC #1: D&C Oct 23, 2015 (7.5 weeks)
MC #2: July 1, 2016 (5.5 weeks)
MC #3: October 17, 2016 (CP)
RE #1: RPL testing November 2016-January 2017
MC #4: Feb. 28, 2017 (CP)
RE #2: Additional RPL testing March-November 2017
MC #5: January 2019 (6.5 weeks)
RE #3: More testing 2023.
Egg Retrieval Sept/Oct 2023, 2 good embryos after PGT-A testing.
Surgery for endometriosis January 2024
Lupron Depo March 2024. Benched 3 months. Hopefully FET after that.
#BitterHagPartyOf1
It's really nice to hear from people who can relate in some way.
I was in therapy for a year after my dad died; this was about 10 years ago, and I knew I needed to talk to someone when it had been 8 months and my grief was worsening. Along with talk therapy, they also gave me an anti-depressant which completely suppressed any physical emotions... it actually kept me from physically crying. I'm not sure I am ready to talk to someone again, although I do generally recommend it. I agree with all of you, a month after a loss is nothing in the sense of time!
@dpjennifer I am so sorry to find yourself at this point and what you might be thinking is the end of the road?? I have been following your journey and also wonder like kgg2241 what became of adoption consideration with your DH? I hope you find some peace.
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1 LC, girl 5 years old
TTC #2 Summer 2017
BFP 1/5/2018, MC (D & E) 2/23/2018
TTCAL May 2018
BFP 9/20/2018, MC (D & E) 11/16/2018
I'm really sorry to hear you're reaching such a hard decision point. Wishing you the strength to get through it. Be kind to yourself!
Married Sept. 2013
DS1: Nov 11, 2016
MMC: 11/16/18 (9w6d)
CP: 2/3/19 (5w3d)
BFP! 8/24/19
DS2: May 10, 2020
@kagesstarshroom I'm sorry about your cousin, I know how hard that is (SSIL was due 1 week before me in first loss). I learned last loss that it doesnt matter what I do or not. If you want a drink, have 1. Don't stress about it.
@zuuls_mom be patient with your body. It really does take time. I don't think I would be able to distance myself from the patients emotionally either. I interned at a physical rehab and got so attached to 1 old lady. She was just so sweet.
@radiohd18 I'm sorry that your struggling. I didnt think I needed to talk to a professional but as time went on (and pregnancy wasn't happening) I caved and I am SO glad I did. I hope that you are able to work through your grief in a healthy way, alone or with a counselor.
@kbrown2385 I'm glad to hear your appt went well! And FX that if this does turn out to be a BFP cycle, it is a sticky one.
@dpjennifer I can't even pretend to imagine how hard this is for you. I truly hope that you guys can reach a compromise or decision that keeps you both happy.
@maserrano714 I'm sorry the holiday has you in the "should be" thoughts. They are hard to shake. I hope the adjustment to your meds proves beneficial.
Afm... RE appt went really well yesterday. He's very confident and isnt pushing anything crazy. He feels like at this point (and pending test results) we might be looking at light fertility meds at most. CD 3 will start all my testing since I'm still in the d&c cycle. AF has until tomorrow to arrive to keep this easy (Monday Dh can bring me thenhes away until Wed night). I'm already spotting so FX. As of right now we will have at least 1 more benched cycle.
@maserrano714 I completely feel you on how hard the holidays are. I go off social media (except here) for a little bit because it helps me mentally not to be reminded with all the announcements that come along this time of year. Good luck with your med changes.
@dpjennifer I’m so sorry you are in this situation. I hope you and th are able to come to some kind of agreement that works for both of you.
@radiohd18 I agree with others who suggested therapy. After my loss last November, I developed anxiety. Once I started therapy I was able to handle subsequent losses much better as well as dealing with the day to day anxiety and anger I was feeling. I’ll be keeping you in my thoughts.
@ruby696 I hope your appt went well!
But OMG I was not expecting to be so self conscious going into the office and then I ran into a nurse I loved who used to work at my OB's office. I legit felt complete shame when I saw her. Like total mortification that someone would know that I needed help having a baby. I didn't even realize I felt like a total failure. So I think a 3 month break is going to be good for my mental health.
@dpjennifer Ugh. I don't have good words for where you find yourself but I am hoping that you and DH continue to have productive conversations. Thinking of you.
@prpl11butterfly @kbrown2385 @ruby696 So glad RE appointments went well!
Introduce yourself and anything you think is important: number of loss(es), when you had the loss(es), diagnosis/conditions surrounding loss, etc. 2 MC in 2017. Diagnosed with uterine septum August 2018 and had that sucker removed in Nov with a hearty "do not let the cervix hit ya on the way out!"
Status: Benched. Beginning to feel like I have been and will be benched forever, even though I know it's not true. Finishing up this cycle's AF, which means I only have to wait one more cycle, but we might push it out another month or two.
How are things going? What is something that you are struggling with this week? What is going well for you this week? R/R? I am coming in to this thread late this week because things have been BUSY. Work is a little crazy, DH started a new job, the holidays make home life and the to-do list a bit nutty, and all I really want to do is read a book!
I have never really loved the holiday season even before I added grief to the mix, but I am working really hard to find and sort of name the things about the holidays I do like and that is helping my mood a bit. I love getting Christmas cards and sending ours out and I love how our cat sleeps under the Christmas tree all season and I am just reminding myself of these little, peaceful things to get me through the drama of the rest of it!
Any testing coming up/any recent results? Nope.
GTKY? What is your dream job? A writer. Preferably of funny stuff. Maybe a "misadventures" writer where I could write about all the little humorous mistakes I make while traveling/camping/backpacking/etc.
@minnek8 You should write if you want to! I think everyone who wants to write should. It's not like... sewing or something where if the end product sucks there is no point--at the very least, writing is something that can be cathartic for people, and if it's not as good as you want it to be, there are plenty of workshops out there for you to share it with other writers & teachers & get the work to the point that it is worthy of sharing. Again, not like sewing where you'd have to start from scratch likely to make something good. Also, you gave some great advice re: therapy to @radiohd18, so I am here to second that with a hearty hearhear!
@prpl11butterfly Also glad to hear your appointment went well! (&...I'm grateful for these follow-ups! It's one thing to say "I have an appointment" and another to let us know it went well.) I'm glad DH can bring you again on Mon., and then sorry he'll be away, but away 'til Wed. night doesn't sound toooo too bad?
Married Sept. 2013
DS1: Nov 11, 2016
MMC: 11/16/18 (9w6d)
CP: 2/3/19 (5w3d)
BFP! 8/24/19
DS2: May 10, 2020
Introduce yourself and anything you think is important: number of loss(es), when you had the loss(es), diagnosis/conditions surrounding loss, etc.
Hi there. I'm happy to be joining a network of support but sad to be apart of it. I was active on the bump back in 2014 but am starting fresh now. We started TTC for #3 in August and have had 3 back to back losses. MC at 6.5 weeks in September, CP in November, CP in December.
Status: Currently testing my HCG back to zero.
How are things going? What is something that you are struggling with this week? What is going well for you this week? R/R? I'm really sad to be having this third loss in a row. I was so hopeful that it would work out and that the first two were just bad luck, but now I'm sure there's more to it.
Any testing coming up/any recent results? I have an appointment with an RE scheduled for January 8th so I'm sure we'll have a lot of testing coming up soon.
GTKY? What is your dream job? I'm currently working my dream job. I've wanted to be a veterinarian since I was 4 and that's what I currently do
@drdolittle22 I am so sorry for your losses and that you have to be here.
@prpl11butterfly and @ruby696 I am so happy to hear your appts went well!
AFM, I got a peak OPK today, so I guess it was just a few days later than usual. Can't really complain about that! I can complain about my H having a stomach ache last night though so no BD'ing was had. Hopefully tonight! We are going on a date just the two of us for the first time in over a year! I cannot wait.
Married 8/16/13
BFP#1 DS 11/13/16
BFP# 2 MMC dx @ 13w 10/30/18
BFP# 3 Preemie DD born at 38w (IUGR) on 8/28/19 weighing 5.5lbs. Our little miracle
@drdolittle22 I'm so sorry for your losses. I hope you have good fortune from here on!!!
Married Sept. 2013
DS1: Nov 11, 2016
MMC: 11/16/18 (9w6d)
CP: 2/3/19 (5w3d)
BFP! 8/24/19
DS2: May 10, 2020