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Chart Stalk/Questions w/o 1/29

This is a thread where anyone can feel free to request a chart stalk, second-guess FF's interpretation, or post TTC-related questions, regardless of where in your cycle you are. Sometimes FF is wrong. That's where we come in. Get your second opinion here!

*TW*
Me: 31 | DH: 33
DD1: 8/2014  <3
TTC #2: 6/2017
BFP 8/3/2017 | CP 8/4
BFP 10/16/2017 | CP 10/21
BFP 12/18/2017 | CP 12/28
BFP 2/15/2018 | EDD: November 2nd | It's a girl!
DD2: 10/2018  <3
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Re: Chart Stalk/Questions w/o 1/29

  • edited January 2018
    Starting us off selfishly today to ask about AFC and FSH. I had my baseline ultrasound and blood work today on cd4. The RE was surprised at my AFC because it was around 6-8, which she said is really unusual for someone my age (30). (ETA: She said they like to see at least 10.) My blood work all came back normal, except for FSH which was just slightly elevated at 9.2. The RE wasn't concerned about it and said it was borderline. I was anxiously awaiting the AMH results all day to find out they combined them with some other blood work they sent me to Quest for, so I did not get those results today, unfortunately. It may be a couple of days to 2 weeks before I get them since they were grouped with my karyotype and RPL labs.
    So for my question, is that AFC result really worrisome or does it vary per cycle? There's probably not much that anyone can tell me until I get the AMH results, but I googled low AFC today and now I'm kind of going into a tailspin wondering if all of my good eggs are gone. My next appointment with the RE isn't for 2 weeks until all my lab results are back, so I was hoping to get some wisdom/reassurance from some of you that have more experience with AFC numbers. Thank you!
    *TW*
    Me: 31 | DH: 33
    DD1: 8/2014  <3
    TTC #2: 6/2017
    BFP 8/3/2017 | CP 8/4
    BFP 10/16/2017 | CP 10/21
    BFP 12/18/2017 | CP 12/28
    BFP 2/15/2018 | EDD: November 2nd | It's a girl!
    DD2: 10/2018  <3
  • @offtoneverland  No super good advice, just support. ((Hugs)) waiting is nerve racking. I log into my patient portal at least 2-3 times a day to look for results. My AFC changed. When it was first done a while back, it was 6-8. At the beginning of my IUI cycle, it was 10. I’m not sure how huge of a differn for that is in reproduction world. Have you read ISWTE?  I also hit the 3-4onth mark between those AFCs with CoQ10/Ubiqunol, Vitamin d3 supplement, & serious elimination of bpa/phthalate/synthetics. Coincidence?  Correlation?  Idk. 


    Augusta108offtoneverlandjosie12367
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  • edited January 2018
    @jrm_14 Thank you, friend. That's good to know about your AFC and all the changes you had made leading up to the increase in number. I haven't read ISWTE but I know I need to. I've been scared to start it, TBH, because I don't want to have to change everything in my life while TTC. But I know that's a silly thing to say because *nobody* wants to find themselves in the place where they have to start making so many big changes. It sucks that it doesn't come easy and I guess I haven't been ready to admit that maybe there's a problem. I also wasn't expecting my eggs to be an issue since I'm young, so that caught me way off guard!
    I'll just be over here twiddling my thumbs waiting for my AMH results. And I had an Amazon gift card from Christmas still, so I'm going to use it right now to guy buy ISWTE! 
    ETA: Oh, and about CoQ10-- **TW** I started taking it right after my 3rd loss, so about a month ago now. **end TW** But the RE seemed skeptical of it and said she asks her patients to stop using it before they start any treatment, so I stopped taking it after that. Perhaps I'll start it up again jic. 
    *TW*
    Me: 31 | DH: 33
    DD1: 8/2014  <3
    TTC #2: 6/2017
    BFP 8/3/2017 | CP 8/4
    BFP 10/16/2017 | CP 10/21
    BFP 12/18/2017 | CP 12/28
    BFP 2/15/2018 | EDD: November 2nd | It's a girl!
    DD2: 10/2018  <3
    jrm_14
  • @offtoneverland I am sorry about the low AFC. I do think you’ll need to see what the AMH is to get an idea of whether you may have premature DOR. Unfortunately it is possible and DOR might explain the RPL. I agree to look at ISTWE. Most of the changes aren’t that extreme - I find the dietary stuff most challenging and I’m not perfect at it but I feel like steps in the right direction are always good. That is kind of strange to me that your RE is anti CoQ10 - I told my RE I was taking it at our first appt and she was like - great, I want you on twice as much. 
    Me: 37 | DH: 35 
    BFP #1 5/14/17 (EDD 1/24/18) MMC Confirmed 6/13/17
    BFP #2 8/12/17 ended in CP 8/20/17
    BFP #3 10/12/17, EDD 6/27/18, hCG drop and no fetal development at 6w, D&C 11/3/17
    BFP #4 4/21/18, EDD 1/3/19, mc due to Trisomy 22 after HB stopped at 8w 
    Sept 2018 ER - 15R, 10M, 10F, 9 blasts, 5 PGS normal
    Transfer of 1 PGS normal embryo leading to BFP #5, baby boy EDD 8/29/19 


    offtoneverlandAugusta108jrm_14starla
  • @offtoneverland, I’m so sorry you’re stuck in limbo waiting for that AMH number. *hugs* I agree that reading ISWTE is a good idea, even if you’re only able to implement some of the advice in it right now. I initially felt the same way about not wanting to have to change my entire life for TTC, but once I started with the RE it really helped me to have some more concrete things to do while I waited on other results/appointments.

    I am also really surprised your RE is anti-CoQ10! My RE didn’t say anything either way when I said I was taking it, but I’ve seen it recommended a lot of places...
    Me: 35 |  DH: 37
    TTC #1 Since: December 2016
    Diagnosis 12/2017: Low AMH (0.40), MFI
    IVF Cycle #1 in April 2018, BFP 5/7/18! EDD: 1/15/19


    offtoneverlandjrm_14starla
  • @Augusta108 @zamora_spin Thank you so much. You guys are the best and I appreciate the moral support. I'll start reading ISWTE tomorrow! I think I'll continue taking CoQ10 for the time being too...you never know what might help!
    *TW*
    Me: 31 | DH: 33
    DD1: 8/2014  <3
    TTC #2: 6/2017
    BFP 8/3/2017 | CP 8/4
    BFP 10/16/2017 | CP 10/21
    BFP 12/18/2017 | CP 12/28
    BFP 2/15/2018 | EDD: November 2nd | It's a girl!
    DD2: 10/2018  <3
    Augusta108jrm_14
  • @offtoneverland You've already received great advice and info, but I just wanted to add my data on AFC. I've had it checked three times, once at the start of each IUI. It was 11 the first time, 21 the second, and 16 the third, with no major changes to supplements or diet during that time. So there is definitely variability!
    lurvleybunchococonutsjrm_14offtoneverland
  • I know this has been asked before, but I have tried searching old threads and I can't find it. What PNVs do you all recommend? I'm about to run out of mine and I want to change to a kind with DHA. I just wanted to finish off what I had first because I hate being wasteful. Is there anything I need to make sure is included in them? Iron? Calcium? I did try google, but it was overwhelming so I'm hoping you guys can help me. 
  • @acciocoffee I would suggest ensuring iron and folic acid are in them! 
    Me:  31  DH:  32
    TTC #1: October 2017
    Clomid Cycles 1-3 BFNs
    RE: 08/2018
    IUI 1-4: BFNs
    IVF + ICSI = 2 Embryos
    FET#1: BFN
    FET#2: 7/01/2019
  • @acciocoffee I take Naturemade prenatal +DHA. Ive been happy with them and you can buy them anywhere, target, walmart, costco etc.
    TTC journey in spoiler
    Me: 29 | DH: 31
    Married: 08/2016
    TTC: 10/2017
    IUI #1-3 BFN
    IVF 11/2018- 23 eggs retrieved, 16 mature, 14 fertilized with ICSI with 7 embryos making it to freeze
    FET #1 02/2019 BFN
    FET #2 4/19 BFP!!!!! EDD 1/4/20  <3


    galactickatesacciocoffee
  • I agree with @zamora_spin to look for a PNV with folate not folic acid. It’s better for egg quality. 
    Me: 38 DH:39
    TTC #2 - August 2016
    MFI
    IUI #1-3 BFN 

    Heart Mom - DS 3/15/13
    BFP 4/21/18 MMC 6/11/18
    jrm_14offtoneverland
  • Looks like I need to switch to folate! I'm almost out of mine so this is perfect timing. Good question @acciocoffee !
    Me:  31  DH:  32
    TTC #1: October 2017
    Clomid Cycles 1-3 BFNs
    RE: 08/2018
    IUI 1-4: BFNs
    IVF + ICSI = 2 Embryos
    FET#1: BFN
    FET#2: 7/01/2019
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    edited January 2018

    This is the one I just ordered - it’s the #1 recommended for egg quality

    Me: 38 DH:39
    TTC #2 - August 2016
    MFI
    IUI #1-3 BFN 

    Heart Mom - DS 3/15/13
    BFP 4/21/18 MMC 6/11/18
    zamora_spinjrm_14offtoneverland
  • Has anyone heard of taking choline during pregnancy?  Supposedly it's important for brain development and that you should be taking 550 mg a day.  I haven't done a ton of research myself but a friend of mine recently started a business selling it and is saying that research is showing that it's important.  Apparently we can all benefit from having more in our diet so I started taking some (not hers, too expensive  :D)  Most prenatal vitamins I've looked at have little or no choline in them, so I'm not sure what to think. 
    Me: 32  H: 32
    Married: 4/5/13

    "You know that place between sleep and awake, 
    that place where you can still remember dreaming?
    That's where I will always love you.  
    That's where I'll be waiting."
    ~Peter Pan 

    *TW*
    BFP #1: 11/12/12  EDD 7/25/13 Baby boy: 7/27/13
    BFP #2: 10/29/17   MMC dx @ 9 weeks
    BFP #3: 2/2/18 MC 2/7/18
    BFP #4: 3/2/18  MC 3/9/18
    RPL testing and hysteroscopy: all normal
    BFP #5: 4/1/18 MMC dx @ 14 weeks ----> genetically normal girl  :'(
    Hysteroscopy to remove scar tissue 9/28
    BFP #6 11/5/18 EDD 7/20/19  <3  Rainbow baby girl born 7/23/19 
  • @emmasemm You are the best. Seriously. Thank you for being so willing to share your knowledge with others. I agree that you need to write a Fertility for Dummies book. You have this wonderful way of explaining things in a very scientific manner, yet it's incredibly easy to understand. It was super helpful of you to explain how the follicles are measured and all of the other underlying factors. When I googled low AFC, it immediately returned results about early onset menopause and all these other scary things, so I was immediately freaked out. Thank you for talking me off a ledge and helping me see things more clearly.
    @darkstar42 That is really interesting about your AFC numbers fluctuating. Thank you for sharing that with me!
    @zamora_spin I started taking Zahler Prenatals after you recommended them a couple of weeks ago. I really like them them! Although *TMI* they make my urine bright fluorescent yellow all day long. I sometimes get nauseous after taking vitamins, but haven't had that problem with these. 
    *TW*
    Me: 31 | DH: 33
    DD1: 8/2014  <3
    TTC #2: 6/2017
    BFP 8/3/2017 | CP 8/4
    BFP 10/16/2017 | CP 10/21
    BFP 12/18/2017 | CP 12/28
    BFP 2/15/2018 | EDD: November 2nd | It's a girl!
    DD2: 10/2018  <3
    lurvleybunchococonutsAugusta108emmasemmjrm_14
  • @offtoneverland I’m so pleased you found it useful and it helped calm your fears, even if just a little. 
    I’m watching out for when you get your AMH results to see how the picture comes together.
    And any time you feel like freaking out, just PM me.

    @zamora_spin @kristah2 @lurvleybunchococonuts thanks for the love  <3

    Me 40 DH 42
    Married 12/2016
    TTC #1 since 04/2015
    AMA, DOR (AMH 0.65, AFC 2-4) and autoimmune issues (RA, APS, LA+), low TSH, adenomyosis
    Sep17 IVF1 - 1ER, 1F, 1ET, BFN
    Nov17 IVF2 - 1ER, 0F
    Jan18 IVF3 - 3ER, 1F, 1ET, BFN
    Feb18 - second opinion and additional testing
    Apr18 IVF4 - cancelled (E2 too high)
    May/Jun18 IVF4 - 4ER, 0M, 1F, 1 frozen day 3 (not best quality)
    Jun/Jul18 IVF5 - 5 ER, 3M, 2F, 2 frozen day 3 (not best quality)
    Jul/Aug18 IVF6 - 4ER, 3M, 2F, 2 frozen day 3 (good quality)
    Aug/Sep18 IVF7 - cancelled (cyst)
    Sep/Oct18 IVF7 - 3ER, 3M, 2F, 2 frozen Day 3 (excellent quality)
    Oct18 IVF8 - Cancelled (cyst and too low TSH)
    Oct18-Jan19 bringing TSH under control
    Feb19 ERA and hysteroscopy
    Mar19 Investigation for fibroid and adenomyosis
    Apr19 adenomyosis confirmed, polyps removed
    Next - FET planned for Jun19
    Sep17 - Pergoveris 10-17 Sep, Orgalutran 15-18 Sep, Ovitrelle 18 Sep, ER 20 Sep for 2 follies, 1 mature egg, fertilized, ET 1x 2d 4-cell embryo 22/09, 05/10 BFN
    Nov17 IVF2 - Pergoveris 2-14 Nov, Orgalutran 5-14 Nov, Ovitrelle 15 Nov, ER 17 Nov for 3 follies, 1 mature egg, did not fertilize
    Jan18 IVF3 - Pergoveris 30 Dec - 8 Jan, Orgalutran 5-8 Jan, Ovitrelle 9 Jan, ER 11 Jan 3 eggs, 2 mature, 1 fertilized, ET 1x 4d 12-cell embryo 15/01, 24/01 BFN
    May/Jun18 IVF4 - Rekovelle 25-29 May, Menogon 30May - 2Jun, Zomacton 25 27 29 31 May and 2Jun, Cetrotide 30May - 3Jun, Gonasi 3Jun, ER 5Jun 4 eggs, none mature, two matured overnight, 1 fertilized with ICSI, Frozen day 3 but not good quality
    Jun/Jul18 IVF5 - Rekovelle 21-24 June, Menogon 25Jun-3Jul, Puregon 4-5Jul, Zomacton 21 23 25 27 29 Jun, Cetrotide 25Jun-5Jul, Gonasi 6Jul, ER 8Jul 5 eggs, 3 mature, 2 fertilized with ICSI, 2 frozen day 3 but not good quality
    Jul/Aug18 IVF6 - Rekovelle 26-29 Jul, Menogon 30Jul-7Aug, Buserelin 26Jul-7Aug, Zomacton 26 28 30 Jul 1 3 Aug, Gonasi 7Aug, ER 9Aug 4 eggs, 3 mature, 2 fertilized (normal IVF), 2 frozen day 3 good quality
    Sep/Oct18 IVF7 - Menogon 19-30Sep, Buserelin 19-30Sep, Zomacton 19 21 23 25 27 Sep, Ovitrelle 1 Oct, ER 3 eggs, 3 mature, 2 fertilized with ICSI, 2 frozen day 3 excellent quality 

    Fav Quote: The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return

    offtoneverlandAugusta108zamora_spinjrm_14
  • @coco2787 I'm not an expert at vitamins nor do I know anything about choline, but I figure if it really were vital to brain development it would be included in most prenatals. That said, mine (Zahler with DHA) contains 25mg of choline. 
    *TW*
    Me: 31 | DH: 33
    DD1: 8/2014  <3
    TTC #2: 6/2017
    BFP 8/3/2017 | CP 8/4
    BFP 10/16/2017 | CP 10/21
    BFP 12/18/2017 | CP 12/28
    BFP 2/15/2018 | EDD: November 2nd | It's a girl!
    DD2: 10/2018  <3
    coco2787jrm_14
  • Alright. I’m having a freak out moment. Help!

    I work in a research lab with lots and lots of hazardous chemicals.  Most of the work I do is under a fume hood and/or has some sort of exhaust system hooked up to it, but occasionally, like once a week, I do have to take chemicals out of the fume hood for brief amounts of time (5-10 min).  I know that I will need to take extra precaution once I get KU but after talking to a coworker today I’m wondering if I need to be taking the extra precaution now while TTC… I know the exposure isn’t a whole lot but I’m freaking out. Have I been ruining our chances this whole time? What do I do? I can’t just stop working, and my boss just told me yesterday that he wants me to be spending more time in the lab and less time at my desk… 

    Me:30 DH:29
    Married: 8/2015
    TTC #1: 4/2017
    Testing: HSG, U/S, BW, and DH's SA all normal
    DX: Unexplained
    8/2018: Clomid + TI = BFN
    9/2018: Clomid + TI + Progesterone = BFN
    11/2018: Clomid + IUI + Progesterone = BFN
    12/2018: Letrozole + IUI + Progesterone \\ Cancelled due to cyst
    1/2019: Letrozole + IUI + Progesterone = BFP! \\ EDD Sept 30th
  • @ljmoon6 I’m sorry, I have no idea whether the chemicals might be affecting. I don’t know enough about those affects.


    I’d like to request a CS! I have no idea whether I belong in WTO or TWW right now. On CD18 FF gave me CH for CD15. I moved over to TWW. Yesterday, CD19 it took them away. My temp went back up again this morning CD20, and I tried discarding CD19’s temp because I only got 4 hours of sleep, but it won’t give me back my CH, even if I enter high temps into the future :( is this another an-O cycle? Disclaimer: I have no thyroid so my BBT is unreliable, but FF gave me CH before so I’m worried. Also, the 8 days in a row High fertility blinking smiley.


    <3 Me: 28 DH: 29
    <3 Married since 2012 dating since 2005.
    <3 Golden Retriever girls (8) and (3), orange feral rescue tabby (1).

    Finally TTC#1 as of 11/2017!
    Thryoidectomy 2007, PCOS, disordered proliferative endometrium.
  • Hi ladies, I'm new and would love some help with my chart this month.  A bit about my background, I have been TTC for 6 months now.  This is the first month charting temps and using OPK.  Thought maybe we would just get lucky before and that didn't happen.  This is the longest cycle I have had off BC (month 7 now), they are normally between 29-31.  I keep feeling what I think are cramps or at least a small discomfort, but so far no visit from AF and no BFP.  The OPK test was positive on CD17 so FF marked O day as CD 18.  I'm just confused, please give help/advice!!

  • edited February 2018
    Hi ladies, I'm new and would love some help with my chart this month.  A bit about my background, I have been TTC for 6 months now.  This is the first month charting temps and using OPK.  Thought maybe we would just get lucky before and that didn't happen.  This is the longest cycle I have had off BC (month 7 now), they are normally between 29-31.  I keep feeling what I think are cramps or at least a small discomfort, but so far no visit from AF and no BFP.  The OPK test was positive on CD17 so FF marked O day as CD 18.  I'm just confused, please give help/advice!!

    QFP
     What exactly are you confused about? You can get a positive opk up to 36 hours before ovulation so 1/16 may not be an accurate O date therefore how many DPO may also not be accurate.  Also you were not consistent in tracking temps so 1/16 really is not confirmed.  Wait a few more days, retake an HPT if still no AF.  Also, please intro in the weekly newbie thread.  And welcome, I hope your stay here is short.

    ETA: Also, please note that it is against TOU to ask, even in a roundabout way, if your are pregnant.  We are not doctors and cannot see into your uterus.  Please contact a medical professional if that is what you are asking.

    LO arrived 11/9/2018!  We have a baby!
    --------------------------------
    Me: 31 | DH: 39
    Married: March 2016
    TTC #1/IUD out January 2017
    PCOS dx January 2018
    Medicated cycle 2.5mg Letrozole CD3-7 February 2018
    BFP 3/10/2018!!!! 16DPO Beta 1: 732 | 18DPO Beta 2: 1278
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    offtoneverlandadirat
  • Thank you so much for your response!  I wasn't really asking about being pregnant, more about how to understand my chart.  With it being my first time TTC and my first month of trying to chart (taking temps at the same time is hard!!!).  I'm not sure what to look for, for the actual ovulation date (I missed 3 days because I went out of town and forgot my thermometer).  I'm hoping that next month I can be more consistent with my temping to help understand the chart better.  Just unsure what to look for signs of ovulation and post ovulation.  Thanks again
  • @boundingpluto have you read the newbie guide yet?  There's some great info there regarding ovulation signs.  Personally I track my CM (cervical mucus), CP (cervical position), along with using OPKs and temping.  A lot right?  I hear you on it being a hard temping every day at the same time.  It happens.  That being said, the fertilityfriend app also has some great information on ovulation signs and explaining temp shift, etc.  
    Also @josie12367 had some awesome information.  Thanks Josie!  I always struggle to clearly and concisely word these brief overviews aside from "googleit!" :D 

    LO arrived 11/9/2018!  We have a baby!
    --------------------------------
    Me: 31 | DH: 39
    Married: March 2016
    TTC #1/IUD out January 2017
    PCOS dx January 2018
    Medicated cycle 2.5mg Letrozole CD3-7 February 2018
    BFP 3/10/2018!!!! 16DPO Beta 1: 732 | 18DPO Beta 2: 1278
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    josie12367jrm_14offtoneverlandWhitmore1027
  • Those of you who take a B-complex- is there one that you recommend?  
    Me: 32  H: 32
    Married: 4/5/13

    "You know that place between sleep and awake, 
    that place where you can still remember dreaming?
    That's where I will always love you.  
    That's where I'll be waiting."
    ~Peter Pan 

    *TW*
    BFP #1: 11/12/12  EDD 7/25/13 Baby boy: 7/27/13
    BFP #2: 10/29/17   MMC dx @ 9 weeks
    BFP #3: 2/2/18 MC 2/7/18
    BFP #4: 3/2/18  MC 3/9/18
    RPL testing and hysteroscopy: all normal
    BFP #5: 4/1/18 MMC dx @ 14 weeks ----> genetically normal girl  :'(
    Hysteroscopy to remove scar tissue 9/28
    BFP #6 11/5/18 EDD 7/20/19  <3  Rainbow baby girl born 7/23/19 
  • @coco2787 - I’ve only tried one, but I take the one from rainbow light. I haven’t done a full analysis on ingredient safety yet, but I like it because it’s food based. It does turn your pee highlighter yellow, though. https://www.rainbowlight.com/complete-b-complex.html
    *TW*
    Me: 38 DH: 41
    Married: 2016
    BFP #1 4/23/18, blighted ovum 5/29/18
    BFP#2 7/14/18, DS 4/5/19
    coco2787
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