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Chart Stalk & Questions Week of 5/15

This is a thread where anyone can feel free to request a chart stalk, second-guess FF's interpretation, or post TTC-related questions, regardless of where in your cycle you are. Sometimes FF is wrong. That's where we come in. Get your second opinion here. 


Me: 29 | DH: 29
Married 12/2016
DSS born 01/2016
TTC since 01/2017
Letrozole + TI = BFP 01/30/2018 | EDD 10/11/2018
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Re: Chart Stalk & Questions Week of 5/15

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    I feel like I've been posting here a lot :(

    So, I don't think that I have actually O'd yet, even though FF gave me dotted CH. I'm missing the past two weekends for temps, but I feel like my temps just aren't high enough... thoughts?


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    @Sailing_Mama i think it depends on what your temps do in the next few days. If the temp on april 29 was inaccurate (it's an open circle), and today's was a fluke low (mine do that), I think you probably did O. But probably best to act as if maybe you haven't just in case? 
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    @Sailing_Mama especially if youre going to (have to) skip temping, try, try try to get those cm notes!  Or I mean, if it was legit dry those days after when hou think you may have Od, then put in "dry" or "creamy," or whatever.  The more info you give FF - especially those few days after suspected O - the better!
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    (@BusinessWife I never thought about it that way before - I often leave it blank if it's dry, but you're right that it's important for their algorithm!)
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    @BusinessWife I know - I wish I had more info to put in, but we were camping... no showers means dirty hands, so I went with a hands off policy :( I think I just have to wait and see... although my DH just hurt his back and is on bed rest for two weeks, so that is just one more reason I really hope FF is right!
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    @Sailing_Mama - I feel like this has been a very rough cycle for both of us. With the missing temps, it's hard to say. Keep temping and FX the temps stay high! And sorry to hear about YH's injury! 
    Me: 29 | DH: 29
    Married 12/2016
    DSS born 01/2016
    TTC since 01/2017
    Letrozole + TI = BFP 01/30/2018 | EDD 10/11/2018
    Babysizer Cravings Pregnancy Tracker
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    Guys, I think FF is effing with me. Thoughts? My typical crosshairs are at 98.1, and I've never ovulated before CD 14 (which I know, normal until you're not, but still). My wondfo OPKs are getting DARKER still, but still neg. Should I just stay in WTO a couple more days to see what my temps do? The open circles are due to time issues, so I think they probably ARE wrong. 





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    What were the time issues?  Earlier or later? @doxiemoxie212  keep poas vigilently bc a + opk could really change FFs mind here.  Usually the textbook thing is O would happen on the last day of fertile cm, so like maaaybe an extra day of fertile type the following day?  But that full 3 dats of fertile cm that you got AFTER supposed O, combined with nir Quite a + opk yet makes me wonder... like if you turn a + opk today does it move them?  With or without discarding the open circles?
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    doxiemoxie212doxiemoxie212 member
    edited May 2017
    @BusinessWife The time issues were all later. I just didn't wake up (ETA: in time, it was like an hour later) to do my temp. On CD 13 I dropped my thermometer on the ground and had to go crawling around for it, so that didn't help... I just tested it in FF, and if I put an OPK as positive for today, it can't do crosshairs anymore.  I think I should keep HIO a couple more days to be sure. I think FF is cray. 
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    edited May 2017
    Yeah so put in the + opk for today (fx you actually get one!) Keep hio if you can/want but honestly you have so much timing in there, please don't stress too much.  What happens with 2-3 higher temps after today?  Will the CH move then?  Or with 2-3 high temps and discarding cd 13/14?  Sometimes you really never know what was happening until you look back on it, case in point... :/ will be curious to see...

    ETA  FTR - just saying put these hypothetical thing in to experiment with what <i>COULD BE</i> going on.  Not saying to leave false information in FF for keeps - just so I'm being clear! Lol (temping disclaimer)
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    @BusinessWife haha, yea - no worries, I don't stress easily about this stuff, I just have a lot of time on my hands these days lol. The last few cycles I've O'd at CD 16, so... if I put in higher temps for the next 3 days (didn't even have to discard any temps), it changes my O to CD 15, which is today... so I think DH and I will bang tonight just to be sure, but we're probably good. 
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    @doxiemoxie212 I put my negative OPK result in FF to make sure it knows the test is saying "no." It seems to listen. Same with dry CM. So it will take into account the negative indicators of O with the positive.
    Me: late 30s | H: early 30s
    TTC #1 since April 2015
    RE Dx: Fibroids, surgery Jan 2016
    IUI #1 and #2, Nov/Dec 2016, BFN
    IVF March 2017: ER - 5R/3M/3F, 1 PGS normal
    Polyp removed May 2017
    FET May 2017 - BFP!
    Baby boy born 2/2/18

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    @eggplantface me too! It doesn't care this time lol
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    @doxiemoxie212 Duh, I'm an idiot. I see it now. Mine puts the OPK result up higher and I guess after three rows I just stop looking.
    Me: late 30s | H: early 30s
    TTC #1 since April 2015
    RE Dx: Fibroids, surgery Jan 2016
    IUI #1 and #2, Nov/Dec 2016, BFN
    IVF March 2017: ER - 5R/3M/3F, 1 PGS normal
    Polyp removed May 2017
    FET May 2017 - BFP!
    Baby boy born 2/2/18

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    Am I out, ladies? 

    Me: 33
    DH: 30
    TTC #2 Since April 2017
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    @garnetandgoldgrace is this your first cycle temping? Sometimes my temps randomly drop below CH, but if yours don't then... welp...
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    @doxiemoxie212- No I did temping last cycle but it was all over the damn place and I wasn't taking Metformin yet so really it wasn't reliable. It was 50 days of insanity. This one actually looks legit. 
    Me: 33
    DH: 30
    TTC #2 Since April 2017
    Daisypath Anniversary tickers

    Lilypie Second Birthday tickers


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    Question about my last chart...also, disclaimer, I'm not TTGP right now, but I'm temping so that I can get used to it and understand my body before we do actually start trying. Also, this was my first cycle off BCP, but I've always been one to go 2-4 months between periods when I'm not on the pill, so I'm not sure how much of this is normal, and how much is my body still regulating.

    Originally FF gave me dotted CH on CD43, then they disappeared after CD47 was input. Then, I got CH on CD 57 or 58 (can't remember exactly), then those disappeared after CD 64 I think. Open circles are mostly sleep deprivation, a couple timing. And the missed days were due to traveling and not wanting to risk losing my BBT. I'm wondering, does it look like I O'd at all? Or maybe it was anovulatory? Period ended up being about 4 days, VERY light but enough to be more than spotting.

    (I tried to size down the pic, so I'm hoping it's not too big...)


    DS1 born 2/28/16
    DS2 due 12/12/18

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    @LoveInDC - It actually originally had be at CD19... then it changed it a few days later. Either way the timing is good but this temp drop has bummed me out. I have been sick for a week now with a pretty bad cold so do you think all these temps are bogus because of that anyway?
    POAS this morning and BFN...
    Me: 33
    DH: 30
    TTC #2 Since April 2017
    Daisypath Anniversary tickers

    Lilypie Second Birthday tickers


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    Thank you @BusinessWife! I know 79 days is a long time, but since that period at the beginning lasted for 16 days (totally not normal for me, thank goodness!!), I figured I'd wait another cycle before talking with a doctor. If this one goes more than 60 days I'll be discussing with someone for sure! It's really a pain in the butt because I was never able to predict when I'd start when I was younger. Now I kind of know what to look for and actually knew it was starting when it did (generally speaking, not exact days or anything). I think this cycle I may try and pay more attention to CM and OPKs to see if I can pinpoint ovulation (should it happen).
    DS1 born 2/28/16
    DS2 due 12/12/18

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    @BusinessWife FYI - my OPKs kept getting darker yesterday, but no positive until this morning. Temps still low. So FF was def wrong yesterday, I think ;) 
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    JennyColadaJennyColada member
    edited May 2017
    This is kind of a question for my next cycle (assuming that I get AF within the next couple of days): my sleep cycle is super wonky. I very regularly go to sleep around 9:30pm. Sometimes I wake up at midnight, can't get back to sleep, and lay on the couch until I get tired again and go back to sleep at 4pm to wake up at 6am. Sometimes I wake up at anywhere between 3am-5am and am just up for the rest of the morning. about 50% of the time I wake up at 6-6:30am though and am set for the day. I set my alarm for 7am but honestly haven't been woken up by it in like 2 years. Since BBT needs to be at the same time (and I've read 3 hours of sleep at least, which I don't always get). I bought OPKs on Amazon, but it would it be worth it or useful to attempt to temp at all? Or is it just not really feasible with my sleep cycles?
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    elisekelisek member
    @JennyColada - I've been surprised that even though I sleep like crap and wake up a ton and sometimes I forget to temp, I still have seemed to get a clear temp shift in my first two cycles tracking it. I never sleep until my alarm either and my temps are taken between 5am and 6:30am, but that shift is clear. If you have any ovulation issues or similar issue, then it seems to be more difficult. But in my experience, even not perfect temping can still be helpful. you can even just temp until O is confirmed and then stop for the rest of the TWW & AF. 

    Personally, I'm adding OPKs this cycle and plan to do at least 2 cycles of both BBT and OPK to get a feel for when the surge happens for me prior to ovulation. Then I might give up BBT tracking because I hate it and I'm tired of dreaming about taking my temp over and over and over!

    Me: 28 | H: 29
    Married: October 2014
    TTC #1 March 2017
    Dx: PCOS - March 2018
    IUI #1: April 2018 BFN
    IUI #2: May 2018
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    @JennyColada I would recommend trying a tiny dose of melatonin at bedtime.  It may help you get more solid sleep and plus it's excellent for egg quality as well, so win-win!  Definitely still worth temping and picking a consistent time, but it doesn't hurt to try and set yourself up for success, too, instead of frustration.  I know the melatonin has been working <i>wonders</i> for me lately. ;)

    Awww @garnetandgoldgrace. No problem!  I try to use my powers for good, instead of evil  >:)
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    @BusinessWife I've taken melatonin in the past and while it helps me fall asleep the half life of it wears off too quickly to help me STAY asleep, and I don't want to be taking it at 3am when I'd have to be up in a couple hours.

    So ultimately if I just say "I'm going to take my temperature at 6:30" then that's fine. Or should I take it when I decide that I'm "up for the day". Basically do I take my temp at midnight, at 3am, at 6am, or 7am?

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    elisekelisek member
    @JennyColada - I would take it when you are up for the day within about a 2 hour range. So maybe if you wake up between 5-7am, take your temp and count it even if FF gives you an open circle. If you get up at 3 and don't really fall back asleep for more than 3 hours, then I'd let it go and hope to get a temp the next day.

    melatonin also doesn't work for me (makes my dreams even worse and more intense than they already are!). But I do take regular non-habit forming, sleeping pills on occasion. this month the only days I've been able to get temps were on sleeping pill mornings, so that's been helpful to get more data points.

    Me: 28 | H: 29
    Married: October 2014
    TTC #1 March 2017
    Dx: PCOS - March 2018
    IUI #1: April 2018 BFN
    IUI #2: May 2018
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    @elisek I've gotten GREAT sleep on Zzzzquil! But despite my crazy sleep patterns I usually (somehow magically) feel rested enough, and thankfully the waking up 12am-4am nights are pretty rare. But oh how I miss the teenage sleep that lasts until 1pm. I'll give temping a shot and we'll just see how it goes!
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    adiratadirat member
    edited May 2017
    Caveat about melatonin -- be cautious about melatonin while ttc. Melatonin has been shown to improve response in IVF but has not been proven to have the same benefits in regular ttc, and in fact is contraindicated for pregnant women as it increases the risk of birth defects so many people don't take it during tww. If you have DOR or evidence of poor egg quality you should not take it as it can aggravate both (according to my RE who advised me against it because of my issue).  Probably worth talking to your doctor before adding...

    Edit -- dor is diminished ovarian reserve


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    Hm that's interesting @adirat. I knew not to take it during pregnancy, but not about the nuance of ivf/ttc or dor and egg quality.  I just thought it "improved egg quality"???
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    adiratadirat member
    @businesswife There's a chapter in It Starts with the Egg that talks about this, and my RE told me that I shouldn't take it given my issue. Here's a review of the literature on melatonin that notes its efficacy proven for IVF cycles but not otherwise: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4209073/  (I fully admit I don't understand the mechanisms they describe but the impact on IVF is real)

    For regular TTC, the book says that melatonin may disrupt production of other hormones that control the ovulation cycle. This isn't a concern for IVF, which is guided by meds, but disrupting your ovulation cycle during regular ttc is obviously an issue. Instead, she recommends supporting your circadian rhythms in natural ways, like exposure to sun during the day, dimming indoor lights at night, and sleeping in dark rooms. You can also get small amounts of melatonin from cherries, walnuts, and barley (p. 134). 

    In the words of It Starts with the Egg (p. 130): "What exactly melatonin does in the ovaries is still not fully understood." So it's very possible we don't understand it well enough yet and it's good for everyone, or it's possible it has a complex relationship with egg quality and is only right for some people. Honestly, the more you dig into IF stuff, the more you realize how much we DON'T know. Sigh.

    Related, men should not take melatonin during ttc as it can slow sperm motility significantly.


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    @adirat Aw man, I started melatonin three months before my ER to improve egg quality and kept taking it because it helps me sleep. I was hoping to keep taking it while pregnant because I have such a hard time falling asleep. Thanks for the info!!
    Me: late 30s | H: early 30s
    TTC #1 since April 2015
    RE Dx: Fibroids, surgery Jan 2016
    IUI #1 and #2, Nov/Dec 2016, BFN
    IVF March 2017: ER - 5R/3M/3F, 1 PGS normal
    Polyp removed May 2017
    FET May 2017 - BFP!
    Baby boy born 2/2/18

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    50Wife50Wife member
    @eggplantface FWIW I was told benadryl is safe during pregnancy. I had pregnancy insomnia (it was as awesome as it sounds) and took Benadryl after talking to my doctor in an attempt to sleep.  
    I know that it knocks some people out so you can give that a shot instead of melatonin when the time comes  :)
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    @JennyColada - As someone who works nights and almost never sleeps through to an alarm I thought I would throw in my 2 cents. I temp after my longest sleep and if I happen to go back to sleep and sleep for lomger, then I temp again and use that temp. I have been able to see shifts in temperature, but I always get dotted crosshairs and my chart is mostly comprised of open circles. If I hadn't temped this cycle I would have thought I already O'd since I had so many signs. 
    Me: 29 | DH: 29
    Married 12/2016
    DSS born 01/2016
    TTC since 01/2017
    Letrozole + TI = BFP 01/30/2018 | EDD 10/11/2018
    Babysizer Cravings Pregnancy Tracker
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    emcakeemcake member

    Chart stalk.  What the what is going on? If I put in 2 hight Temps for the next 2 days it gives me ch for today. Any words of wisdom? I know it's a wait and see what your real Temps do game, but this is getting depressing.



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