Started TTC Oct 2015
BFP #1 June 2016: EDD 16 March 2017, MC July 2016
Re-started TTC Aug 2016
Started IF testing Nov 2016
Spontaneous BFP #2 January 2017: Rainbow Baby Boy September 2017
BFP #3 November 2018: Baby #2 expected August 2019
BFP #1 June 2016: EDD 16 March 2017, MC July 2016
Re-started TTC Aug 2016
Started IF testing Nov 2016
Spontaneous BFP #2 January 2017: Rainbow Baby Boy September 2017
BFP #3 November 2018: Baby #2 expected August 2019
Re: TTGP grad checkin | April 13
How far along are you? 16+4
When is your next appointment? A/S on April 24
Cravings/Symptoms? Snot (a symptom, not a craving )
Rants/Raves/Randoms? I'm on holiday for a weeks starting this afternoon!! And the a/a is on the first day back to work so there's actually something to look forward to
Questions?
pregnancy GTKY: what has been the most awkward thing so far? Probably going for a Transvag u/s in a shirt and pants....they don't give you a sheet to cover here lol. I learned quick to wear a dress so I could cover myself as long as I wanted lol
NBR GTKY: camping or hotel?? Bit of both? I like camping, especially campfires and smores but sometimes a little luxury and pampering is nice too haha
BFP #1 June 2016: EDD 16 March 2017, MC July 2016
Re-started TTC Aug 2016
Started IF testing Nov 2016
Spontaneous BFP #2 January 2017: Rainbow Baby Boy September 2017
BFP #3 November 2018: Baby #2 expected August 2019
How far along are you? 18+5
When is your next appointment? End of the month, plus a/s
Cravings/Symptoms? Nothing much this week! Nausea is gone, my appetite is back
Rants/Raves/Randoms? Everything is going well this week. I went to see my personal trainer last night, and felt like I actually put in a lot of effort for the first time since I found out I was pregnant. Not having nausea does that for you! DH and I are planning a small weekend getaway in July, while my parents have DS for a couple weeks, and I'm very excited.
Questions?
pregnancy GTKY: what has been the most awkward thing so far? Probably nausea. Sometimes I just went green, and it was usually due to really strong smells, food or otherwise.
NBR GTKY: camping or hotel?? While pregnant, hotel. Not pregnant, I love camping!
DS2: EDD- 09.08.17
@BigBadWolf12 I was just reading my 16 week update last night and they always mention symptoms you may be experiencing now and snot was one of them.
@ColoradoHiker Yay for nausea being gone! I'm sure that's a great feeling.
How far along are you? 16+4
When is your next appointment? Just had my glucose test Tuesday. A/S is scheduled for May 2nd.
Cravings/Symptoms? Still slightly nauseous in the evenings, but definitely more tolerable. Energy is back, and I realized that yesterday was the first time in what feels like forever that I did not dry heave a single time!
Rants/Raves/Randoms? AC is out in my car and it feels like a sauna. DH and I are debating whether to get it fixed or trade it in.
Questions?
pregnancy GTKY: what has been the most awkward thing so far? - Throwing up or dry heaving in public.
NBR GTKY: camping or hotel?? - Hotel! I do not camp! This statement as always makes me sound high maintenance, but I need a shower, often! And toilet paper!
How far along are you?
17+4
When is your next appointment?
4/20 regular monthly check and 4/28 AS
Cravings/Symptoms?
Snot ramping up here too, also when will the puking stop! Every morning almost without fail I throw up... still food aversions, which I assumed were gone until I tried chicken last night... otherwise, energy up and getting moving bc it's nice outside.
Rants/Raves/Randoms?
Ohh I weighed myself today and I may or may not have gained 11lbs this month. That is not a good thing. With any luck the scale was just absurdly wrong but we will see next week.
Getting nursery together is if fun!
Sunday is Easter and I love ham!
Questions?
pregnancy GTKY: what has been the most awkward thing so far?
Probably my 3 yo trying to climb under the sheet to "be a ghost" during my transvag ultrasound. I almost fell off the bed..
NBR GTKY: camping or hotel??
Hotel kinda girl or at least a camper. I don't mind the outdoors but I'm not sleeping that close to the bugs and dirt.
@ColoradoHiker Yay for no more nausea and a great workout!!
@dogdisnylovr I hope the results of your glucose test are good!
@jillibean0871 My m/s lasted a long time too. I had a few week break then food starting coming back up again. I'm officially a week vomit free, hopefully it stays that way! I hope you get some relief soon too!
How far along are you? 19+5
When is your next appointment? OBGYN tomorrow, A/S Tuesday - So excited!!!
Cravings/Symptoms? No cravings but finally no more throwing up! FINALLY!
Rants/Raves/Randoms? I can feel the little guy moving a lot more the last few days. It's so freaking awesome. When I use the doppler at home, he likes to kick it. Actually being able to kind of interact with the little guy is so surreal.
Questions?
pregnancy GTKY: what has been the most awkward thing so far? My job has automatic flushing toilets. Throwing up and having the toilet flush on your face is a new type of awkward and gross. Haha.
NBR GTKY: camping or hotel?? HOTEL! Although, we plan on going on a a little getaway this summer with my in-laws' tow-behind trailer. I guess that's a good cross between hotel and camping.
Adopted Furbaby: 2014
TTC#1 : 1/2016 | IUI #2 - BFP 12/24/16 -- born 9/8/17
TTC#2: 11/2019 | Dx DOR (AMH 0.3), AMA
IUI #2 - BFP 7/1/20 -- EDD 3/14/21
Type 1 Diabetes since 2001, MTHFR hetero A1298T
Dogs: Raider 4 yrs, Dex 4 yrs
BFP #2 7/6/16 SCH, D&C 8/4/16
BFP #3 12/26/16 EDD: 9/6/17
My Chart / My Diabetes/Pregnancy Blog
My Type 1/TTC/Pregnancy Podcast:
Juicebox Podcast Episode 118
A1Cs:
1/12/16 6.7%
5/25/16 6.0%
11/2/16 6.1%
3/22/16 5.8%
4/27/17 5.4%
6/13/17 5.3%
"Sugar Fancy Tutu"
Adopted Furbaby: 2014
TTC#1 : 1/2016 | IUI #2 - BFP 12/24/16 -- born 9/8/17
TTC#2: 11/2019 | Dx DOR (AMH 0.3), AMA
IUI #2 - BFP 7/1/20 -- EDD 3/14/21
How far along are you? 17+1
When is your next appointment? First week of May when i hit 20 weeks
Cravings/Symptoms? Not a whole lot going on right now. Still tired, and have growing pains & RLP. But thats about it.
Rants/Raves/Randoms? Telling our parents we're having a little girl this weekend!!! We haven't announced on social media, and I wasn't necessarily wanting to, but now that we know the gender I kind of want to.
Questions? I'm a FTM and I'm really struggling with the stroller thing. At first i kind of thought of getting the frame and car seat and a separate stroller. But that ends up being more expensive then just buying the "travel" option, so why not just get that. And I can't believe how much people will spend on these things. We're not strapped for cash by any means, but spending over $600 on a stroller seems crazy to me.
pregnancy GTKY: what has been the most awkward thing so far? I've had it pretty easy i think! No vomiting in public or intense nausea. First trimester gas was pretty terrible, smell wise. Glad that's over with!
NBR GTKY: camping or hotel?? I don't mind "glamping", at a site with flushable toilets & using an air mattress. Backpacking is fine occasionally, and for like a weekend, but i would not be interested in a longer trip.
Me: 35 | DH: 38
Met: 2007
Married: 2013
BFP #1: 06/21/16 MMC: 08/04/16
BFP #2: 01/08/17 DD: 09/23/17
BFP #3: 06/10/20 EDD: 02/11/2021
How far along are you? 16 Week 1 Day
When is your next appointment? Tomorrow. Ultrasound
Cravings/Symptoms? Nipple pain, tension headaches, heartburn, food aversions....gagging /puking in the morning on build up mucus.
Rants/Raves/Randoms? Happily avoiding reading about birthing and baby....but figuring at some point I am going to need to kick into gear.
Questions?
What diapers did stm+ like?
Anything you wouldn't take as a hand me down from a friend for baby?
How long are you planning to take off for maternity leave?
How long is your significant other taking off for leave?
pregnancy GTKY: what has been the most awkward thing so far? Peeing on the floor because I was puking in the toilet...
NBR GTKY: camping or hotel?? Cabin
Me: 37 DH: 32 TTGP Since 2014 INFERTILITY INFO (Medicated, IUI's, IVF/FET) IN SPOILER
Medicated April-December 2015: Clomid (didn't work) and so we tried Femera/Letrozole. Progesterone Met 1000 Not diagnosed PCOS but treating the same. Anovulatory. TI No US No O BFN
- TW -
IUI"S
January 2016-October 2016: Letrozole 2.5mg-7.5 mg, Pregyl or Ovideral Trigger Shot.
9 cycles of IUI (7 Cancelled due to no mature follicles) (2 attempted IUI's with mature follicles)
IUI # 2 June 2016 and July 2016: Met 1000, Estrogen (21 days), Progesterone (5 days) Femera 5m 6/28/16 Ultrasound CD14 = 25 follie. Pregnyl Trigger CD14 IUI 7/13 1stBeta (DPO 15): 7.6 (Surprise BFP...but Low #'s) 2ndBeta (DPO 17): 18 3rdBeta (DPO 19) 52.8 Progesterone Prescribed (spotting) 4thBeta (DPO 26) 6.9 Chemical Pregnancy BFN
IVF and FET (diagnosed with PCOS) 204 pounds at start of IVF
IVF # 1 October and November 2016: CCRM - Minneapolis 10/14 Consult and CD 3 testing, 10/14 started (OCP Antagonist - BCP) BCP, 10/21 1 day work up, Doxycycline 100mg 10 days, 10/24 stop bcp, Bloodwork US 10/29, 10/30-11/8 Stims 2 vials of Menopur, Dexamethasone, 225 of Gonal-F daily (dropped to 120). CCRM Vitamin Cocktail (like 20 of them), Monitoring (11/2, 11/4, 11/5, 11/6, 11/7, 11/8), Retrieval 11/10 (38 eggs, 30 mature, 16 fertilized ICSI), 11/16 8 Blasts 11/30 CCS testing results 3 Normal 5aa's (2 boys and 1 girl) 1 Unknown 4 Abnormal (All girls)
Fet #1 January 2017: CCRM - Minneapolis bcp/lupron/suppository/p4 in oil QOD AF 12/7, 12/8 start meds. 1/3 lining and blood work check 14/15 mm, BW check 1/6. 1/9 transfer with acupuncture 1 CCS/PGS Normal 5aa hatching Progesterone around 26ish? Lower estrogen level 207 (wanted above 300 but over 200 was acceptable), started 1 estrace, progesterone in oil every other day, vivelle dot patches 4 every other day, 3x estrodiol daily, vitamin cocktail. POAS: - 4dp5dt and 5dp5dt, 6dp5dt frer very very very faint line. 7dp5dt and 8dp5dt + on Accuclear. 8dp5dt pregnant on a clear blue easy digital. 214 pounds at FET
1/18 #1 Beta 91.1
1/20 #2 Beta 215.9
2/3 6 week US 2 sacs? Twins? but only 1 heartbeat/pole good heartbeat Stopped taking baby asprin Added in DHEA Veg Vitamin (also got the report that they transferred a girl 5aa eggo)
2/10 7 week US 2 sacs (likely vanishing twin) only 1 heartbeat/pole etc good heartbeat 137
2/24 9 week US 1 eggo sac good heart beat 182 1 very small fluid sac (shrinking)
2/24 9 week 2 days start weening. Graduated from RE (CCRM is now starting weening as soon as 8.5 weeks)
3/7 10 Weeks 5 days weened completely of FET meds A1C 5.3% (Normal)
3/9 11 Weeks 1 day my progesterone level was 15 and my estrogen level was 881 (I freaked out!)
3/16 12 Weeks 1 day baby heard on doppler 164 HB
4/14 16 week 2 days Ultrasound baby is looking good with all good numbers sized 17 weeks. Also got to hear her on the doppler for a few mins too.
5/5 19 Weeks 2 days going in for "20" week anatomy ultrasound got measurements but need to come back as wasn't able to get all the measurements
MEASUREMENTS BPD 4.6 cm 19 weeks 6 days* (78%) HC 17.0 cm 19 weeks 4 days* (70%) AC 14.5 cm 19 weeks 4 days* (69%) Femur 3.1 cm 19 weeks 6 days* (63%) Humerus 3.1 cm 20 weeks 2 days (84%) Cerebellum 2.0 cm 19 weeks 5 days
CisternaMagna 6.2 mm Nuchal Fold 4.5 mm
HC/AC 1.17 FL/AC 0.22 FL/BPD 0.68 EFW (Ac/Fl/Hc) 309 grams - 0 lbs 11 oz
THE AVERAGE GESTATIONAL AGE is 19 weeks 5 days +/- 10 days.
6/9 24 Weeks 2 days Glucose Test 1 hour (Failed) 190
6/16 25 Weeks 2 days Ultrasound and 1st Baby Shower
6/20 25 Weeks 6 days Glucose Test 3 Hours (Failed) 95 (95), 183 (180), 213 (155), 198 (140) etc
6/21 26 Weeks Recommended to a perintologist
6/22 26 Weeks 1 day start monitoring blood sugar levels
6/30 27 Weeks 2 day A1 (blood sugar test ordered)
7/5 28 Weeks Echo and 3d Ultrasound
AMNIOTIC FLUID Q1: 2.6 Q2: 3.2 Q3: 4.8 Q4: 5.6 AFI Total = 16.3 cm Amniotic Fluid: Normal
MEASUREMENTS BPD 7.2 cm 28 weeks 5 days* (60%) HC 26.4 cm 28 weeks 4 days* (48%) AC 23.3 cm 27 weeks 4 days* (36%) Femur 5.2 cm 28 weeks 0 days* (36%) Humerus 4.8 cm 28 weeks 0 days (49%)
HC/AC 1.13 FL/AC 0.23 FL/BPD 0.73 Ceph Index 0.77 EFW (Ac/Fl/Hc) 1142 grams - 2 lbs 8 oz (37%)
THE AVERAGE GESTATIONAL AGE is 28 weeks 1 day +/- 14 days.
7/10 28 Weeks 5 days Dietitian Appt and Lactatcian Consultant and A1 blood draw 5.4% (normal) 218.5 pounds
7/20 30 Weeks GD consult. 6 Lantus at 7pm daily. Novolog 1 unit for every 15 gm carbohydrate if consumed more than 30 gm at brkfst or 60 gm at lunch or supper 215.6 pounds
7/20 30 Weeks Transferred care to OB due to high risk. 216 pounds
8/2 32 Weeks Ultrasound (not cooperative and still breech) and then weekly NST's
MEASUREMENTS BPD 8.0 cm 32 weeks 2 days* (44%) HC 29.2 cm 31 weeks 6 days* (22%) AC 26.9 cm 31 weeks 0 days* (24%) Femur 6.3 cm 32 weeks 2 days* (57%) Humerus 5.7 cm 32 weeks 6 days (71%)
HC/AC 1.08 FL/AC 0.23 FL/BPD 0.78 Ceph Index 0.78 EFW (Ac/Fl/Hc) 1808 grams - 3 lbs 15 oz (29%)
THE AVERAGE GESTATIONAL AGE is 31 weeks 6 days +/- 18 days.
AMNIOTIC FLUID Q1: 3.4 Q2: 2.9 Q3: 2.9 Q4: 4.4 AFI Total = 13.6 cm Amniotic Fluid: Normal
8/8 32w6d upped to 1:10 for dinner
8/11 Baby Shower
8/13 Baby Shower
8/16 34 weeks NST good reading Upped to 8 at bed for fasting and 1:7 for dinner
8/18 Dr Appt
8/24 35 weeks 1 day (was suppose to be scheduled for 36 weeks) Weeks Ultrasound/GD Dr Appt/OB Appt
Frank Breech
MEASUREMENTS BPD 8.9 cm 35 weeks 6 days* (67%) HC 31.7 cm 35 weeks 1 day * (35%) AC 30.2 cm 34 weeks 2 days* (33%) Femur 6.9 cm 34 weeks 6 days* (57%) Humerus 6.0 cm 34 weeks 6 days (64%)
HC/AC 1.05 FL/AC 0.23 FL/BPD 0.78 Ceph Index 0.80 EFW (Ac/Fl/Hc) 2494 grams - 5 lbs 8 oz (39%)
THE AVERAGE GESTATIONAL AGE is 35 weeks 1 day +/- 21 days.
AMNIOTIC FLUID Q1: 3.3 Q2: 3.8 Q3: 2.4 Q4: 3.8 AFI Total = 13.4 cm Amniotic Fluid: Normal
8/31 36 Weeks
9/7 37 Weeks
9/10 Water broke...I got it tested at the emergency room it it showed it was negative. More water breaking and didn't go to the dr.
9/11 37 weeks 4 days Called the Dr and got retested for water breaking...
10:30pmish Baby Girl Born via Emergency C Section (Frank Breech Baby) 6lbs 3oz -
9/13 Dropped to 5 pounds 10oz and had jaundice
9/13 38 weeks
9/22 39 Weeks 2 days C Section Scheduled for 10am (arrive at 8am) Equinox/Solstice
EDD 9/27
Me: 35 | DH: 38
Met: 2007
Married: 2013
BFP #1: 06/21/16 MMC: 08/04/16
BFP #2: 01/08/17 DD: 09/23/17
BFP #3: 06/10/20 EDD: 02/11/2021
@ColoradoHiker whoo-hoo for feeling better!
@juliebeannn OMG I never considered an automatic toilet would flush in your face while throwing up that is so disgusting!
@Cats*in*space I'm actually not planning on getting a stroller for a while. I never used one much with my DD and I'll be babywearing more while this LO is small. Maybe when she gets bigger I'll get a stroller.
@dogdisnylovr sorry about the test results. FX it turns out to be nothing.
@BecauseLove I used Pampers with my DD. I really liked the target brand diapers but DD had a reaction to them. I will not take a used car seat or crib for safety reasons. I'll take the standard 12 week FMLA leave and my H will probably take 1 or 2 weeks off.
How far along are you?
16+6
When is your next appointment?
Had a check in with my MW yesterday.
Cravings/Symptoms?
Just hungry all the time.
Rants/Raves/Randoms?
My H finally got his stuff cleaned out of the 3rd bedroom that we'll use for this LO! We also decided to do the MaterniT21 test. My H is concerned because his sister had a trisomy13 baby and he has a cousin with downs.
Questions?
pregnancy GTKY: what has been the most awkward thing so far?
Telling people I'm pregnant. I got a lot of questions about if it was an accident. Since we have a 12 year old and were pretty open about only having the 1, a lot of people assume this baby was not planned.
NBR GTKY: camping or hotel??
Hotel! My DD was nagging me about camping a while back. I may have googled a pic of a refugee camp and told her we are lucky to have a house with beds. We don't need to sleep outside on the ground.
Together 2003, Married 2011
DD: July 2005
BFP: 4/10/16, MC: 5/20/16
BFP: 1/10/17, DD2: Sep 2017
TTGP Dec '16 siggy challenge winner!
@dogdisnylovr My AC is out too. We have to wait until after the baby is born to get a new car. I'm threatening DH with death if it isn't fixed soon. Summer is coming in Maryland, and i'll be a very unhappy pregnant lady if I don't have AC in my car. Also, yay for passing the GD test! And try not to worry about the Downs results yet. Did you have an NT scan? Did it have a normal measurement? Having a 'high risk' come back on the test doesn't mean the baby absolutely has Downs. Also, the more advanced testing is generally reserved for women who are AMA, or have had difficulties getting/ staying pregnant in the past. If you're healthy, have no family history or history of loss, and are under 35, you more than likely wouldn't have them done.
@juliebeannn That is possibly the most disgusting thing I've ever heard in my life. Blech. I guess you've developed lightning fast reflexes, lol.
@Cats*in*space It really depends on what will work best for you. You can get the stroller/ infant car seat combos as well. We used the frame stroller until DS outgrew the car seat. We could tell it was time for a regular stroller, anyway, bc he wanted to sit up more and watch while in the infant one, which is a more reclined position. Also, honestly, we got our 'big' stroller at a consignment sale. You can get nice ones for $30, online and in person. Or, umbrella strollers are a cheap alternative as well. No one says you have to buy a $200 stroller!
@BecauseLoveWhat diapers did stm+ like?- I preferred Pampers when DS was a newborn, and Target diapers when he was older. We still only use Pampers for overnight diapers, and switch off between the two. Target usually has great prices. But, it will come down to what fits your baby the best.
Anything you wouldn't take as a hand me down from a friend for baby? Not really. If you are close friends, I would accept a car seat that is not expired. Maybe not a really old crib, or bumpers. The cribs with the pull down sides are no longer considered safe.
How long are you planning to take off for maternity leave? Hopefully 10-12w. Depends on how much money we save, and if I get STD insurance.
How long is your significant other taking off for leave? 1-2w.
@ChefRamsay I can see how people would not think this one was planned, given your previous insistence on 1. Do you mind if I ask what changed your minds? Based on your ticker info, it looks like you and your DH were pretty young when you had your DD, that's a decent gap between kids!
DS2: EDD- 09.08.17
I know it's hard, but try not to worry too much. A lot of times the numbers mean nothing. Did you have an NT scan (first trimester u/s) done? Did you have any soft markers for Downs, like a short nasal bone or a thick NT measurement? Those aren't a guaranteed sign, either, but if you had the scan, they could have shown up.
DS2: EDD- 09.08.17
We were 17 when I got pregnant with our DD. Definitely a big age gap between her and this LO! She will be 12 by the time this one is born. Basically, my H always wanted to have more kids but I was sure I only wanted one. I hated being a SAHM so, I went to college and got my bachelor's degree and a decent job. Once I was happy with where I was in life I started to reconsider having another kid. We would be eating dinner and it felt like someone was missing. That's how I realized I wanted to try for another baby. He was always really patient with me and let me know he was ready for another when, or if, I ever was.
Together 2003, Married 2011
DD: July 2005
BFP: 4/10/16, MC: 5/20/16
BFP: 1/10/17, DD2: Sep 2017
TTGP Dec '16 siggy challenge winner!
@juliebreaux
@becauselove omg, I'm sorry for your awkward pregnancy moment! that's so horrible... In terms of your questions, I wouldn't take a used car seat (though, I will be using taxi carseats and possibly borrowing a carseat from a close VERY trusted friend when we visit home at Christmas, so maybe that makes me a hypocrite?) If I needed a car seat in my daily life though, I would absolutely buy new. I also don't want to buy a used crib, but I know lots of people do, so it doesn't seem AS sketchy to me.
I plan to cloth diaper, so not sure if I'm useful to you if you're asking about disposables? I remember my aunt preferring the President's Choice grocery store brand or the Kirkland Costco brand more than Pampers or Huggies because P and H were 'TOO stretchy'. I think it really comes down to fit on the baby and personal preference. Could you get a few samples from different brands (maybe you have friends whose kids have sized up and they have a few awkward too-small ones left?
I'm in Sweden, so my parental leave is way different than what is available in the States, so I can't help you there either.
BFP #1 June 2016: EDD 16 March 2017, MC July 2016
Re-started TTC Aug 2016
Started IF testing Nov 2016
Spontaneous BFP #2 January 2017: Rainbow Baby Boy September 2017
BFP #3 November 2018: Baby #2 expected August 2019
@jillibean0871 I LOLd at your little ghost moment!
@juliebeannn I've been there with the toilets! That's the worst!
@dogdisnylovr FX for your test results!
How far along are you? 20w+1
When is your next appointment? One week from today is our A/S! We're team green, but excited to see LO!
Cravings/Symptoms? Current craving is chocolate. Symptoms, RLP and some back aches, but lots of movement makes up for it
Rants/Raves/Randoms? Rave: Friend had her baby Sunday night where we'll be delivering, so we poked around the hospital room. They had a good experience and their baby boy is super cute! I know it got DH more excited too.
Questions? Where to register... I've started registries at Target & Amazon, but I want to get the most out of the benefits offered, so we're considering BRU.
pregnancy GTKY: what has been the most awkward thing so far? I've been lucky with my symptoms, so I think the awkwardness is just trying to figure out what I can wear every day that looks acceptable, and I know it'll just get trickier.
NBR GTKY: camping or hotel?? Hotel. Must have a bed and AC for sleep.
Married: 10.15.16
DS BD: 8.20.17
TTC #2 1.1.19
BFP #2 7.3.19
EDD #2 3.13.20
I think your story is actually really sweet. I'm glad you were able to reach the goals you wanted to achieve, so many people act like it's impossible if you have kids at a young age. Fwiw, I would be a terrible SAHM. I was home with DS for 5 months (lost my job when he was born), and I was going crazy by the end of it. I need mental stimulation, and the newborn/ infant phase was a very long one for me, haha.
DS2: EDD- 09.08.17