@aurora1973 Sorry for CD1, but that is good news indeed!
@antoto You're correct that endometriosis is not visible on an ultrasound, but endometriomas ("chocolate cysts") on my ovaries that may be causing my pain would. A lap for endometriosis is on my radar and my doctor's but it would come after an HSG and SA since it is so much more invasive than those procedures (and certainly more invasive than an ultrasound). She proposed a staggered approach starting with least invasive to get a comprehensive picture. For instance, if my tubes are shown as blocked in an HSG, then a surgery would both remove endometriosis AND address the tubes. A lap first, only to discover tube issues later that also need to be surgically addressed, would be a waste.
@aurora1973 Sorry for CD1, but that is good news indeed!
@antoto You're correct that endometriosis is not visible on an ultrasound, but endometriomas ("chocolate cysts") on my ovaries that may be causing my pain would. A lap for endometriosis is on my radar and my doctor's but it would come after an HSG and SA since it is so much more invasive than those procedures (and certainly more invasive than an ultrasound). She proposed a staggered approach starting with least invasive to get a comprehensive picture. For instance, if my tubes are shown as blocked in an HSG, then a surgery would both remove endometriosis AND address the tubes. A lap first, only to discover tube issues later that also need to be surgically addressed, would be a waste.
R/R: Wow. I am having such a terrible day and I really did NOT need to see a BFP today. I specifically came right to this board to avoid that very thing. I'm so sorry I've been such a ghost lately. I've been having a really really hard time with all of this and sometimes I just avoid it all. But, DH and I did decide that I would set up a first appointment with an RE. I scheduled it last week and thought there'd be a wait, but they had a cancellation for today and got me in. I just got home from it and haven't stopped crying. I feel so overwhelmed by all of the tests and blood work they want to do. Plus I am a bit concerned that the RE paid no mind to my charts and didn't even want to see them. He said they don't truly tell you when you've ovulated and not to bother. WHAT?! I made an appt with any RE because my OBGYN was telling me that, so I went right to the specialist... Now I feel like I'm a crazy person and like I've been wasting my time this whole time on charting. I know that's not true but why do all the doctors suck at being informed?! I have to talk to DH tonight about whether we want to continue with the initial tests or just wait a few months, I have no idea what to do. The RE also said that breastfeeding shouldn't affect my cycles that much, when I told him I'd recently weaned my son about a month ago...I didn't even know what to say to that other than stare at him. Problem is, he's the only RE my insurance covers within a 50 mile radius. My main concern is how variable my LP is and that it's on the shorter end too. RE didn't think that was a concern. All around, awful day.
CS/Q: see above... Sorry for the word vomit, just needed to vent to someone who understands. All my friends are pregnant atm..
GTKY: What three words would your DH/SO use to describe you? Patient Kind Loyal
To everyone - My bad. These "where you can post rules" are new to me since I wasn't a newbie at all around here, I honestly didn't read the guide. Again, my bad and I apologize. OP will be edited.
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DS #1 born 05/25/2012 BFP#2: 06/12/2013 ---- loss DS #2 born 4/08/2014 BPF#4: 2/1/2016 --- 2/23/2016 suspected molar pregnancy--- 3/15/2016 D&E - diagnosis MM BFP#5 - 9/22/2016 * formally bornmommy
@bornmommy Several people have voiced their opinion that you probably don't belong in the grad post right now after this morning. Obviously we aren't the internet police so I guess you will do whatever you want, but just be aware that a lot of people got hurt by your post this morning so that's the climate right now. I would suggest just heading over to your BMB.
Testing: Monday, I guess. I freaking hate testing.
R/R: Dog ate my thermometer. The brand new one. The one I just effing bought.
CS/Q: Nope. I suck this cycle.
GTKY: What three words would your DH/SO use to describe you? -SmartyPants -Logical -Obsessive about details.
edit because I forgot to put my CD.
TTC #1 since September 2014 Diagnoses: RPL, Endometriosis, MFI
(count, morph, DNI, DNAS, multiple bilateral subclinical varicoceles), low
progesterone Check out my Infertility blog Check out my Infertility Instagram
Loss History (TW):
BFP: 3 May 2015, loss confirmed 4 June 2015 BFP: 15 August 2015, loss confirmed 23 August 2015 BFP: 16 November 2015, loss confirmed 22 November 2015 BFP: 18 July 2016, loss confirmed same day BFP: 04 March 2018, loss confirmed 23 March 2018 BFP: 12 June 2018, TWINS; D&C 06 July 2018
TTC History (TW):
3 losses in 2015 Met with OBGYN in January 2016 Me: all clear, H: OAT November 2016: HSG = All
Clear!
January 2017: H tested again, High DNA fragmentation and stainability
February 2017: Clomid + TI + Progesterone = BFN
March 2017: Clomid + HCG + IUI + Progesterone = SA/wash: zero count on attempt
#1, <1,000 on attempt #2= BFN
Varicocele Embolization- 5 May 17 December 2017 SA: Zero improvement after embolization January IVF- 25 retrieved, 11 mature, 8 fertilized, 3 frozen day fives (3AA, 3AA, 3AA), 1 frozen day 6 (5BB), 1 frozen day 7 (3CC) Three PGS normal (3AA, 3AA, 5BB), one inconclusive (3AA) FET #1: 27 February 2018, 3AA & 5BB, one stuck! BFP 04 March 2018.... Loss confirmed 23 March 2018 May 2018: SHG/SIS = all clear "beautiful uterus" FET #2: 04 June 2018, 3AA PGS normal embryo, 3AA PGS hatching inconclusive embryo. BFP: 12 June 2018, EDD 20 February 2019 Ultrasound, 25 June 2018: There are two! Lost Baby A 02 July 2018 Baby B not growing, D&C 06 July 2018 Laparoscopy, hysteroscopy, chromotubation: 23 July 2018: blocked right tube, heavily inflamed, covered in endo. Removed right tube. Removed more endo from uterus, tubes, ovaries. Endo remains on bladder and bowel.
Next Up:
TTC Naturally, possibly IUIs for remainder of 2018. ER#2 ~Jan 2019
To everyone - My bad. These "where you can post rules" are new to me since I wasn't a newbie at all around here, I honestly didn't read the guide. Again, my bad and I apologize. OP will be edited.
I call BS. I just stalked your replies... You've been around plenty long enough to know. Also, you even commented on the grad thread at one point (week of Aug 1 if anyone cares). You knew.
Married 07.21.07 DS#1 01.23.09 DS#2 08.01.11 TTC#3 08.31.15 Laparoscopy/Hysteroscopy/HSG 05.16.17 Hysteroscopy 10.04.17 10.05.17 Laparoscopy/Hysteroscopy/HSG 01.10.19 Left tube removed dx: Endometriosis, Adenomyosis BC: February-October 2019 TTA: November-December 2019 NTNP: January 2020!
@bornmommy Several people have voiced their opinion that you probably don't belong in the grad post right now after this morning. Obviously we aren't the internet police so I guess you will do whatever you want, but just be aware that a lot of people got hurt by your post this morning so that's the climate right now. I would suggest just heading over to your BMB.
Wow. I honestly had no idea. The grad post used to be for the woman who already moved over and were going through their pregnancy. We used to just post BFP post (in their own threads!) without all the butthurt, although I do understand the change to specific threads. I truly thought that was an appropriate place to post. I hope those that have seen me around know I respect you all and didn't mean anything by it at all. I made a mistake and in no way was it meant to be hurtful. I'll stay away from the grad post because I'm not here to cause issues. One more time, I apologize and hope I see you all on the grad post soon.
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DS #1 born 05/25/2012 BFP#2: 06/12/2013 ---- loss DS #2 born 4/08/2014 BPF#4: 2/1/2016 --- 2/23/2016 suspected molar pregnancy--- 3/15/2016 D&E - diagnosis MM BFP#5 - 9/22/2016 * formally bornmommy
@TravelingCouple all of the hugs for you today. I'm so sorry the RE was not a positive experience. I would be super upset too! One of my biggest irritations with doctors is when they don't listen or properly address their patient's concerns.
Thank you @shstephenson, I just thought of all the doctors, an RE would understand the importance of looking at a chart to gather cycle history. Instead, he only asked how long my cycles are. When I said they range from 24-36 days, he said I probably ovulate on CD 22 when my cycles are 36 days which would give me a 14 day LP. Ha, I wish.
@bornmommy Several people have voiced their opinion that you probably don't belong in the grad post right now after this morning. Obviously we aren't the internet police so I guess you will do whatever you want, but just be aware that a lot of people got hurt by your post this morning so that's the climate right now. I would suggest just heading over to your BMB.
Wow. I honestly had no idea. The grad post used to be for the woman who already moved over and were going through their pregnancy. We used to just post BFP post (in their own threads!) without all the butthurt, although I do understand the change to specific threads. I truly thought that was an appropriate place to post. I hope those that have seen me around know I respect you all and didn't mean anything by it at all. I made a mistake and in no way was it meant to be hurtful. I'll stay away from the grad post because I'm not here to cause issues. One more time, I apologize and hope I see you all on the grad post soon.
Oh yea?? All that "butthurt"...that's what I would describe everyone here who is having a hard TTC day....just BUTTHURT....
TTC #1 - December 2015 Me:31 H:31 DX: MFI - 1% Morph 12/16 -IVF #1 - Antagonist Protocol w/ Lupron trigger ER - 11 retrieved- 9 mature - 7 fertilized - 3 sent for PGS on day 5 - No normals (1 XXX Embryo - may use in future) 3/17 - IVF #2 - Antagonist Protocol w/ HCG trigger ER- 13 retrieved - 11 mature - 8 fertilized - 2 sent for PGS on day 5 -2 Normal FET #1 - 5/16/17 - BFP! - Beta #1 5/25 - 156 - Beta #2 5/30 - 2562 - Beta #3 6/1 - 5191!
@TravelingCouple It would have taken every ounce of self restraint I had not to laugh at him when he said that about your O date. Um no. That's not how this works. Fourteen day LP aren't a thing for everyone and he should know that!
@bornmommy Several people have voiced their opinion that you probably don't belong in the grad post right now after this morning. Obviously we aren't the internet police so I guess you will do whatever you want, but just be aware that a lot of people got hurt by your post this morning so that's the climate right now. I would suggest just heading over to your BMB.
Wow. I honestly had no idea. The grad post used to be for the woman who already moved over and were going through their pregnancy. We used to just post BFP post (in their own threads!) without all the butthurt, although I do understand the change to specific threads. I truly thought that was an appropriate place to post. I hope those that have seen me around know I respect you all and didn't mean anything by it at all. I made a mistake and in no way was it meant to be hurtful. I'll stay away from the grad post because I'm not here to cause issues. One more time, I apologize and hope I see you all on the grad post soon.
@bornmommy Listen, I remember when TTGP was set up like you're talking about. But that hasn't been the case for a while now and certainly the entire time you have been here this time around it has been like this. There are two "grad" threads. One is weekly for BFP posts, and the other is for returners to update if they want. If you had actually looked around this board and read through the threads you would have known that. Did you only ever click on WTO and TWW? I get that this was an accident, but just like that random drive by a few days ago, this was a seriously careless mistake. Because you have been here for a while I'm assuming that you were willfully ignorant of this board's current rules. You had plenty of time and opportunity to lurk around.
We are all happy that you got your rainbow BFP. But you were careless with our feelings. Head over to your BMB and read their rules and lurk over there. Now you know and you can be better with your BMB.
@antoto - Never meant to be careless with feelings. I really don't see how you ladies might even think I was trying to be... I mean, what do I have to gain from that? Anyway. Okay. I hear you.
eta - clarity.
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DS #1 born 05/25/2012 BFP#2: 06/12/2013 ---- loss DS #2 born 4/08/2014 BPF#4: 2/1/2016 --- 2/23/2016 suspected molar pregnancy--- 3/15/2016 D&E - diagnosis MM BFP#5 - 9/22/2016 * formally bornmommy
@antoto - Never meant to be careless with feelings. I really don't see how you ladies might even think I was trying to be... I mean, what do I have to gain from that? Anyway. Okay. I hear you.
eta - clarity.
You may have not MEANT to, but you were careless with never bothering to pay attention to any board rules and that lead you to make a careless mistake that hurt people. Sometimes people hurt others through thoughtlessness and not outright maliciousness. I can't speak for everyone, but I'm pretty sure no one here thinks you're sitting in a dark room somewhere, rubbing your hands together, plotting our misery. Instead you just assumed that every time you saw any of us tell a newbie to "LURK MORE" it simply did not apply to you. I don't personally understand how you didn't notice this whole time that you've been here that no one ever posted BFPs in the TWW thread. But again, I'm assuming you just never paid any attention to posts that didn't have to do with you.
@antoto - Never meant to be careless with feelings. I really don't see how you ladies might even think I was trying to be... I mean, what do I have to gain from that? Anyway. Okay. I hear you.
eta - clarity.
You may have not MEANT to, but you were careless with never bothering to pay attention to any board rules and that lead you to make a careless mistake that hurt people. Sometimes people hurt others through thoughtlessness and not outright maliciousness. I can't speak for everyone, but I'm pretty sure no one here thinks you're sitting in a dark room somewhere, rubbing your hands together, plotting our misery. Instead you just assumed that every time you saw any of us tell a newbie to "LURK MORE" it simply did not apply to you. I don't personally understand how you didn't notice this whole time that you've been here that no one ever posted BFPs in the TWW thread. But again, I'm assuming you just never paid any attention to posts that didn't have to do with you.
Got it. I'm owning it. I changed my OP and apologized. I'm not posting on the grad thread. I was an active supporter of others here that has been around for a while and made an honest mistake. (I know no one sees it as an honest mistake but it was.) I wish you all the best and hope that somewhere along the way there is forgiveness because I do like many of you that are currently pissed at me. I have great bonds with women from this site and hope to make more. I don't want to clog up this thread anymore and welcome pms should anyone else wish to say their peace. Not hiding, just don't want to take away from other women here.
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DS #1 born 05/25/2012 BFP#2: 06/12/2013 ---- loss DS #2 born 4/08/2014 BPF#4: 2/1/2016 --- 2/23/2016 suspected molar pregnancy--- 3/15/2016 D&E - diagnosis MM BFP#5 - 9/22/2016 * formally bornmommy
**Lurking from WTO** @TravelingCouple I certainly am side-eyeing your RE with you, but sadly that's a story I've heard before, and I experienced the same thing with my gyno (she didn't think it was accurate). I mentioned charting to my RE and I swear he gave me one of those smiles that doesn't go all the way to the eyes, indicating he was humoring me. Which is fine. He doesn't think it works, whatever. Maybe his wife didn't do it right or didn't do it at all and got knocked up easily so he thinks it's bullshit. But it works. And you know it works too, so don't let him shake your confidence in that.
And I know the testing can seem overwhelming, it's a lot. But just take it one test at a time, and it'll be over before you know it. Then you can move forward with treatment options. AND, because I was charting based on all the great info I got from the women here, I was able to get my progesterone checked when I was actually 7DPO, and not on "CD21" like my gyno wanted, based on a CD14 O date. Then she would've been calling me like "OMG you have a progesterone deficiency!" Instead she goes "well it's over 10 so you probably ovulated" and I'm like "No shit. My chart told me that." Then my RE told me he doesn't even do that test.
All in all, remember, what do you call the person who finishes last in the class in medical school? Doctor. They're not infallible.
Me: late 30s | H: early 30s TTC #1 since April 2015 RE Dx: Fibroids, surgery Jan 2016 IUI #1 and #2, Nov/Dec 2016, BFN IVF March 2017: ER - 5R/3M/3F, 1 PGS normal Polyp removed May 2017 FET May 2017 - BFP! Baby boy born 2/2/18
@adirat@swanbrooner@Aurora1973 Thanks, ladies! It sure is nice to know that we aren't alone in this! Hopefully we call keep on keepin on and moving in the right direction. All I know is I am LOVING seeing 10 DPO instead of freaking 5.
This is really weird, but as I am sitting at my desk at work today I rubbed my ear lobe and that it reminded me of something... that is exactly how soft my cervix felt this morning (which I am hoping it is O day with temps and CM aligning)
Maybe that will help anyone since the nose and lips there never helped me.
Edit: thought I was in the WTO 9/22. Fml mobile bump.
@eggplantface Thank you, I think I needed to hear that I'm not crazy and haven't been believing lies this whole time about what my charts tell me. I mean, what the heck are these doctors taught in school? It's ridiculous. Somehow the doctor who wrote TCOYF got the right info though..
Ugh, yes, one test at a time. The first is a set of extensive bloodwork checking for everything under the sun. I need to call my insurance and see what they do/don't cover. I'm just mad and angry at the world right now. Why do most people get babies just from having sex, while others have to shell out thousands of dollars to get theirs? It's so ridiculous; and this is me being butthurt.
@eggplantface Thank you, I think I needed to hear that I'm not crazy and haven't been believing lies this whole time about what my charts tell me. I mean, what the heck are these doctors taught in school? It's ridiculous. Somehow the doctor who wrote TCOYF got the right info though..
Ugh, yes, one test at a time. The first is a set of extensive bloodwork checking for everything under the sun. I need to call my insurance and see what they do/don't cover. I'm just mad and angry at the world right now. Why do most people get babies just from having sex, while others have to shell out thousands of dollars to get theirs? It's so ridiculous; and this is me being butthurt.
Me: late 30s | H: early 30s TTC #1 since April 2015 RE Dx: Fibroids, surgery Jan 2016 IUI #1 and #2, Nov/Dec 2016, BFN IVF March 2017: ER - 5R/3M/3F, 1 PGS normal Polyp removed May 2017 FET May 2017 - BFP! Baby boy born 2/2/18
Welp. First, my temp dropped this a.m. to practically my baseline so, even though I know I'm out, I get to suffer through the end of my 9th cycle after loss (not including ALL the ones prior) AND THEN someone, namely @bornmommy, who clearly knows the rules but has zero regard for you, you, you, you (et al) and me comes in with BFPs a-blazin'. [insert @BusinessWife 's gif here]
@ahrains I'm sorry, hugs to you. And I love that gif of Jon Stewart. Great pull.
Me: late 30s | H: early 30s TTC #1 since April 2015 RE Dx: Fibroids, surgery Jan 2016 IUI #1 and #2, Nov/Dec 2016, BFN IVF March 2017: ER - 5R/3M/3F, 1 PGS normal Polyp removed May 2017 FET May 2017 - BFP! Baby boy born 2/2/18
First off hugs to everyone having a hard day. I have not been TTC for a long time yet so I don't feel those emotions, but I can understand how much hurt these things can cause.
@felix08 Our minds are magical things...I can't believe how many symptoms I have had this month.
@vflux33 sorry will be along by you if AF would hurry its ugly self up
Month/Cycle: 1/1
CD/DPO: CD30/Still unsure of O
Timing: EOD around FW
Testing: BFN on CD26 and BFN on CD27....now just waiting for AF...
R/R: I wish I knew what was going on with my body. I am such a planner I literally wanted to just BD and not worry about anything and 'when it happens it happens' But I have realised that is not me. I don't want to just wing it I want to make sure I am giving it the best I can.
CS/Q: I do have a question this time around...I was wondering before AF is it the norm to 'dry up'. That is what I have read...but the last two days I have had quite heavy creamy CM and its making me confused. Do other ladies around here still get heavy CM nearing the end of the cycle before AF?
GTKY: What three words would your DH/SO use to describe you? Stubborn, Positive, Sexy (hear this from him often and it makes me swoon, give me all the compliments please. lol)
@BMPNAB two things: one I also wanted to "let it happen when it's meant to happen" but I also couldn't control myself. Two: I also have been having creamy CM the last week and it's not changing. From what I have been told not everyone does dry up, in fact a lot of women have CM up until AF. Alas I am no expert, it's just what I have gathered from asking the same thing.
CS/Q: I do have a question this time around...I was wondering before AF is it the norm to 'dry up'. That is what I have read...but the last two days I have had quite heavy creamy CM and its making me confused. Do other ladies around here still get heavy CM nearing the end of the cycle before AF?
***lurking from WTO***
I get creamy CM before AF, but not always consistently.
@EL824@LuND@antoto Thanks ladies! I lurked as much as I could about this and so much of what I read said they didn't have CM before AF so I just wanted some clarity.
@TravelingCouple Girl, everything @eggplantface said. I think the reason so many medical professionals take issue with temping (not OPK's, my RE's office has lots of ladies taking OPK's) is the fact that it's, in their opinion, holistic. When I told my RE I temped and took OPK's, he didn't laugh/scoff at me, but he did say that it would only drive me crazy. My OB down right scoffed. (PS I hate her and will never go back to her). But ultimately, like eggplantface said, you know it works. You've gained valuable information about your cycles from it, and it was NOT a waste of your time. Take the testing as it comes, and your mental state along with it. If you are both ready to go full steam a head, do it. If you are not feeling confident in the process, stop. As someone who is going through a ton of shit with the RE right now, I'm not going to sugarcoat it and tell you it's easy. It's mentally draining. It's expensive. It's a pain in the ass. But I think, hope, it will be worth it. But you really have to be committed to the process. It's much to invasive to back out in the middle of it. So really listen to your gut, and go with it. Also, total side eye to the breastfeeding comment your RE made. My best friend BF her daughter for 18+ months! And only when she completely stopped, did she get KU again even though they were actively trying. It sucks that that RE is the only one who will take your insurance. Can you maybe do some research to see if there is another one out there, but perhaps a bit further away? Sorry for the novel lol.
@linzrunz it's so odd to me that you're in WTO...when I'm in TWW! We aren't supposed to be separated like this. :-(
@travelingcouple so sorry you're having a rough day. If it makes you feel better, my RE also didn't care to see my charts. He was glad that I said they show a thermal shift and he basically said I should stop now that I know I do, in fact, ovulate. I hope you find that, as you get the testing started, it's not as overwhelming as it seems. I actually took some comfort in the testing (weird as that may sound) because I felt like I was finally doing something and working towards answers and a solution.
@hartmich I'm laughing out loud at your "heartfelt apology" gif. Just doesn't ring so true when she refers to our responses as "all the butthurt," does it?
@zoey1019 I am seriously loving everything you're posting recently. I think you're in my brain. SO glad someone called @bornmommy out on the "all the butthurt" comment. Wtf. @bornmommy if you truly felt bad, don't refer to us as being "butthurt."
@antoto YES to all your comments! Wouldn't one think it odd that there was NEVER a BFP? Or does one just assume that they're the FIRST BFP in months and months?
@ahrains Ugh sorry about the temp drop. It's honestly the worst way to start a morning.
@bmpnab It is seriously incredible how many "symptoms" I noticed after starting TTC. I was so CONVINCED I was KU the first few cycles but now I've realized all those things are my norm and I'd just never noticed before. To answer your question, my CM usually increases before AF and becomes more fertile looking.
**lurking from WTO** @TravelingCouple My RE basically said the same thing to me about charting and did not even look at my charts. I can already tell that she doesn't have a bedside manner but I figure whatever as long as she knows how to get me KU one way or another. I'll find support elsewhere (here!) and we are here for you too. Despite what my RE said, I will continue to temp because for me it is helpful. For instance, I have had two cycles while TTC where I didn't O until really late and I totally would have drove myself mad thinking I was KU. Temping gives me peace of mind. But, by all means, if it is not helpful do not add stress to your already stressful life. Also, the testing is a lot. I am doing it now. You do not have to do it all at once and my advice is to just take it all one step at a time. So far (and this is me/my body) it has not been that bad or painful. Also, know that you will feel better when you have answers and a plan. One foot in front of the other and you'll get there. My heart goes out to you today of all days
*Dirty Lurker* Ahh, you guys. I love you and wish that I could have a pick your poison cookie and hot wing party with you to cheer you up today. ('Cause I'm not so into sweets but lots of you are and I AM into hot wings. ) Big hugs to everyone who needs them today, and pictures of treats to everyone who just likes treats.
Me: 34 DH: 38 Married: June 2011 TTC since Feb 2016 BFP#1: 7/7/16 MMC: 8/16/16 BFP#2: 5/8/17 - CP BFP#3: 6/27/17 EDD: 3/10/18
What is going on in TWW these last couple of days? So many awkward and creepy internet hugs to all of you! Here's to hoping tomorrow is a less ridiculous thread. Now go have some booze if that's your thing. If not eat some pizza.
@Travelingcouple I'm so sorry to hear you had a bad experience with the RE. That must be so hard and you have every right to feel upset. I wish I could give better advice than to think about what this doctor said for a few days -- when it isn't as raw -- and decide what to do. Like @eggplantface said, it may be easier to take things one small step at a time. (I felt totally overwhelmed after my appointment yesterday, but when I thought about it more like, "Here's one new thing we can do each cycle that we don't get PG," it felt more doable than "OMG I HAVE TO DO FIVE HUNDRED THINGS AND I'LL NEVER HAVE A BABY" which was my first reaction.) Hugs.
And if you like charting, keep charting. Your RE doesn't know everything. And ditto everything @mrsdaddario said (since I wrote this before I saw her post but give her a hearty +1)
Re: TWW Thursday
@aurora1973 Sorry for CD1, but that is good news indeed!
@antoto You're correct that endometriosis is not visible on an ultrasound, but endometriomas ("chocolate cysts") on my ovaries that may be causing my pain would. A lap for endometriosis is on my radar and my doctor's but it would come after an HSG and SA since it is so much more invasive than those procedures (and certainly more invasive than an ultrasound). She proposed a staggered approach starting with least invasive to get a comprehensive picture. For instance, if my tubes are shown as blocked in an HSG, then a surgery would both remove endometriosis AND address the tubes. A lap first, only to discover tube issues later that also need to be surgically addressed, would be a waste.
CD/DPO: 22/1
Timing: 0-3, 0-2, 0-1
Testing: Nope.
R/R: Wow. I am having such a terrible day and I really did NOT need to see a BFP today. I specifically came right to this board to avoid that very thing.
I'm so sorry I've been such a ghost lately. I've been having a really really hard time with all of this and sometimes I just avoid it all. But, DH and I did decide that I would set up a first appointment with an RE. I scheduled it last week and thought there'd be a wait, but they had a cancellation for today and got me in. I just got home from it and haven't stopped crying. I feel so overwhelmed by all of the tests and blood work they want to do. Plus I am a bit concerned that the RE paid no mind to my charts and didn't even want to see them. He said they don't truly tell you when you've ovulated and not to bother. WHAT?! I made an appt with any RE because my OBGYN was telling me that, so I went right to the specialist... Now I feel like I'm a crazy person and like I've been wasting my time this whole time on charting. I know that's not true but why do all the doctors suck at being informed?! I have to talk to DH tonight about whether we want to continue with the initial tests or just wait a few months, I have no idea what to do.
The RE also said that breastfeeding shouldn't affect my cycles that much, when I told him I'd recently weaned my son about a month ago...I didn't even know what to say to that other than stare at him. Problem is, he's the only RE my insurance covers within a 50 mile radius. My main concern is how variable my LP is and that it's on the shorter end too. RE didn't think that was a concern. All around, awful day.
CS/Q: see above... Sorry for the word vomit, just needed to vent to someone who understands. All my friends are pregnant atm..
GTKY: What three words would your DH/SO use to describe you?
Patient
Kind
Loyal
DS #1 born 05/25/2012
BFP#2: 06/12/2013 ---- loss
DS #2 born 4/08/2014
BPF#4: 2/1/2016 --- 2/23/2016 suspected molar pregnancy--- 3/15/2016 D&E - diagnosis MM
BFP#5 - 9/22/2016
* formally bornmommy
CD/DPO: CD19/7DPO
Timing: Just O day. Because we suck.
Testing: Monday, I guess. I freaking hate testing.
R/R: Dog ate my thermometer. The brand new one. The one I just effing bought.
CS/Q: Nope. I suck this cycle.
GTKY: What three words would your DH/SO use to describe you?
-SmartyPants
-Logical
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edit because I forgot to put my CD.
Diagnoses: RPL, Endometriosis, MFI (count, morph, DNI, DNAS, multiple bilateral subclinical varicoceles), low progesterone
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BFP: 15 August 2015, loss confirmed 23 August 2015
BFP: 16 November 2015, loss confirmed 22 November 2015
BFP: 18 July 2016, loss confirmed same day
BFP: 04 March 2018, loss confirmed 23 March 2018
BFP: 12 June 2018, TWINS; D&C 06 July 2018
Met with OBGYN in January 2016
Me: all clear, H: OAT
November 2016: HSG = All Clear!
January 2017: H tested again, High DNA fragmentation and stainability
February 2017: Clomid + TI + Progesterone = BFN
March 2017: Clomid + HCG + IUI + Progesterone = SA/wash: zero count on attempt #1, <1,000 on attempt #2= BFN
Varicocele Embolization- 5 May 17
December 2017 SA: Zero improvement after embolization
January IVF- 25 retrieved, 11 mature, 8 fertilized, 3 frozen day fives (3AA, 3AA, 3AA), 1 frozen day 6 (5BB), 1 frozen day 7 (3CC)
Three PGS normal (3AA, 3AA, 5BB), one inconclusive (3AA)
FET #1: 27 February 2018, 3AA & 5BB, one stuck! BFP 04 March 2018.... Loss confirmed 23 March 2018
May 2018: SHG/SIS = all clear "beautiful uterus"
FET #2: 04 June 2018, 3AA PGS normal embryo, 3AA PGS hatching inconclusive embryo.
BFP: 12 June 2018, EDD 20 February 2019
Ultrasound, 25 June 2018: There are two!
Lost Baby A 02 July 2018
Baby B not growing, D&C 06 July 2018
Laparoscopy, hysteroscopy, chromotubation: 23 July 2018: blocked right tube, heavily inflamed, covered in endo. Removed right tube. Removed more endo from uterus, tubes, ovaries. Endo remains on bladder and bowel.
ER#2 ~Jan 2019
Married 07.21.07
DS#1 01.23.09
DS#2 08.01.11
TTC#3 08.31.15
Laparoscopy/Hysteroscopy/HSG 05.16.17
Hysteroscopy 10.04.17 10.05.17
Laparoscopy/Hysteroscopy/HSG 01.10.19
Left tube removed
dx: Endometriosis, Adenomyosis
BC: February-October 2019
TTA: November-December 2019
NTNP: January 2020!
DS #1 born 05/25/2012
BFP#2: 06/12/2013 ---- loss
DS #2 born 4/08/2014
BPF#4: 2/1/2016 --- 2/23/2016 suspected molar pregnancy--- 3/15/2016 D&E - diagnosis MM
BFP#5 - 9/22/2016
* formally bornmommy
Married: October 2014
TTC#1:May 2016
BFP: 11/16/16 EDD: 7/30/17
4 fur babies
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Me:31 H:31
DX: MFI - 1% Morph
12/16 -IVF #1 - Antagonist Protocol w/ Lupron trigger
ER - 11 retrieved- 9 mature - 7 fertilized - 3 sent for PGS on day 5 - No normals (1 XXX Embryo - may use in future)
3/17 - IVF #2 - Antagonist Protocol w/ HCG trigger
ER- 13 retrieved - 11 mature - 8 fertilized - 2 sent for PGS on day 5 -2 Normal
FET #1 - 5/16/17 - BFP! - Beta #1 5/25 - 156 - Beta #2 5/30 - 2562 - Beta #3 6/1 - 5191!
Married: October 2014
TTC#1:May 2016
BFP: 11/16/16 EDD: 7/30/17
4 fur babies
We are all happy that you got your rainbow BFP. But you were careless with our feelings. Head over to your BMB and read their rules and lurk over there. Now you know and you can be better with your BMB.
eta - clarity.
DS #1 born 05/25/2012
BFP#2: 06/12/2013 ---- loss
DS #2 born 4/08/2014
BPF#4: 2/1/2016 --- 2/23/2016 suspected molar pregnancy--- 3/15/2016 D&E - diagnosis MM
BFP#5 - 9/22/2016
* formally bornmommy
DS #1 born 05/25/2012
BFP#2: 06/12/2013 ---- loss
DS #2 born 4/08/2014
BPF#4: 2/1/2016 --- 2/23/2016 suspected molar pregnancy--- 3/15/2016 D&E - diagnosis MM
BFP#5 - 9/22/2016
* formally bornmommy
@TravelingCouple I certainly am side-eyeing your RE with you, but sadly that's a story I've heard before, and I experienced the same thing with my gyno (she didn't think it was accurate). I mentioned charting to my RE and I swear he gave me one of those smiles that doesn't go all the way to the eyes, indicating he was humoring me. Which is fine. He doesn't think it works, whatever. Maybe his wife didn't do it right or didn't do it at all and got knocked up easily so he thinks it's bullshit. But it works. And you know it works too, so don't let him shake your confidence in that.
And I know the testing can seem overwhelming, it's a lot. But just take it one test at a time, and it'll be over before you know it. Then you can move forward with treatment options. AND, because I was charting based on all the great info I got from the women here, I was able to get my progesterone checked when I was actually 7DPO, and not on "CD21" like my gyno wanted, based on a CD14 O date. Then she would've been calling me like "OMG you have a progesterone deficiency!" Instead she goes "well it's over 10 so you probably ovulated" and I'm like "No shit. My chart told me that." Then my RE told me he doesn't even do that test.
All in all, remember, what do you call the person who finishes last in the class in medical school? Doctor. They're not infallible.
TTC #1 since April 2015
RE Dx: Fibroids, surgery Jan 2016
IUI #1 and #2, Nov/Dec 2016, BFN
IVF March 2017: ER - 5R/3M/3F, 1 PGS normal
Polyp removed May 2017
FET May 2017 - BFP!
Baby boy born 2/2/18
@adirat @swanbrooner @Aurora1973 Thanks, ladies! It sure is nice to know that we aren't alone in this! Hopefully we call keep on keepin on and moving in the right direction. All I know is I am LOVING seeing 10 DPO instead of freaking 5.
Met: 2003
Married: 2005
TTC #1: May 2016
Maybe that will help anyone since the nose and lips there never helped me.
Edit: thought I was in the WTO 9/22. Fml mobile bump.
DS born 9.17
TFMR 10.19
Ugh, yes, one test at a time. The first is a set of extensive bloodwork checking for everything under the sun. I need to call my insurance and see what they do/don't cover. I'm just mad and angry at the world right now. Why do most people get babies just from having sex, while others have to shell out thousands of dollars to get theirs? It's so ridiculous; and this is me being butthurt.
TTC #1 since April 2015
RE Dx: Fibroids, surgery Jan 2016
IUI #1 and #2, Nov/Dec 2016, BFN
IVF March 2017: ER - 5R/3M/3F, 1 PGS normal
Polyp removed May 2017
FET May 2017 - BFP!
Baby boy born 2/2/18
So.
Month/Cycle: 9/9 ttcal but let's say 19 in all.
CD/DPO: 28/8
Timing: It was great. It always is.
Testing:
R/R: No, no. I'm good. Thanks.
CS/Q: '_'
GTKY: I can't.
ETA (((HUGS))) @TravelingCouple
Me: 42 | DH: 45
TTC since Dec. 2014
BFP #1 Oct. 2015 | MC Nov. 2015
Sept. 2016: FSH, AMH, E2, TSH, etc. all normal. | Oct. 2016: HSG all clear! | Nov. 2016: Hysteroscopy & H's SA both great results
Dec. 2016 - Follistim + TI
BFP #2 12/25/16 | Natural MC 2/13/17 | False BFP leads to D&C 4/20/17 | Emergency D&C + hysteroscopy 5/16/17
TTC #1 since April 2015
RE Dx: Fibroids, surgery Jan 2016
IUI #1 and #2, Nov/Dec 2016, BFN
IVF March 2017: ER - 5R/3M/3F, 1 PGS normal
Polyp removed May 2017
FET May 2017 - BFP!
Baby boy born 2/2/18
@furbabymom2007 @bumpybump @shstephenson @swanbrooner *high five to my stubborn ladies*
@felix08 Our minds are magical things...I can't believe how many symptoms I have had this month.
@vflux33 sorry
Month/Cycle: 1/1
CD/DPO: CD30/Still unsure of O
Timing: EOD around FW
Testing: BFN on CD26 and BFN on CD27....now just waiting for AF...
R/R: I wish I knew what was going on with my body. I am such a planner I literally wanted to just BD and not worry about anything and 'when it happens it happens' But I have realised that is not me. I don't want to just wing it I want to make sure I am giving it the best I can.
CS/Q: I do have a question this time around...I was wondering before AF is it the norm to 'dry up'. That is what I have read...but the last two days I have had quite heavy creamy CM and its making me confused. Do other ladies around here still get heavy CM nearing the end of the cycle before AF?
GTKY: What three words would your DH/SO use to describe you? Stubborn, Positive, Sexy (hear this from him often and it makes me swoon, give me all the compliments please. lol)
I get creamy CM before AF, but not always consistently.
@TravelingCouple Girl, everything @eggplantface said. I think the reason so many medical professionals take issue with temping (not OPK's, my RE's office has lots of ladies taking OPK's) is the fact that it's, in their opinion, holistic. When I told my RE I temped and took OPK's, he didn't laugh/scoff at me, but he did say that it would only drive me crazy. My OB down right scoffed. (PS I hate her and will never go back to her). But ultimately, like eggplantface said, you know it works. You've gained valuable information about your cycles from it, and it was NOT a waste of your time. Take the testing as it comes, and your mental state along with it. If you are both ready to go full steam a head, do it. If you are not feeling confident in the process, stop. As someone who is going through a ton of shit with the RE right now, I'm not going to sugarcoat it and tell you it's easy. It's mentally draining. It's expensive. It's a pain in the ass. But I think, hope, it will be worth it. But you really have to be committed to the process. It's much to invasive to back out in the middle of it. So really listen to your gut, and go with it. Also, total side eye to the breastfeeding comment your RE made. My best friend BF her daughter for 18+ months! And only when she completely stopped, did she get KU again even though they were actively trying. It sucks that that RE is the only one who will take your insurance. Can you maybe do some research to see if there is another one out there, but perhaps a bit further away? Sorry for the novel lol.
Ahh, you guys. I love you and wish that I could have a pick your poison cookie and hot wing party with you to cheer you up today. ('Cause I'm not so into sweets but lots of you are and I AM into hot wings.
Married: June 2011
TTC since Feb 2016
BFP#1: 7/7/16 MMC: 8/16/16
BFP#2: 5/8/17 - CP
BFP#3: 6/27/17 EDD: 3/10/18
What is going on in TWW these last couple of days? So many awkward and creepy internet hugs to all of you! Here's to hoping tomorrow is a less ridiculous thread. Now go have some booze if that's your thing. If not eat some pizza.
ETA: Gifs are hard
"It's time to try defying gravity."
Married 6/11/16
TTC Since 6/2016
12/2016 RE appt; 1/2017 SA & HSG results - all normal
3/2017 Dx Hyperprolactinemia; 5/2017 Prolactin levels normal; 8/2017 Low Ovarian Reserve
8/2017 TTA for personal reasons; 10/2017 NTNP; 12/2017 Re-start TTC
7/2018 Clomid+IUI
11/2018 Letrozole+TI
12/2018 Letrozole+IUI
2/2019 NTNP
5/2019 Stopping all TTC efforts; living Childfree
@Travelingcouple I'm so sorry to hear you had a bad experience with the RE. That must be so hard and you have every right to feel upset. I wish I could give better advice than to think about what this doctor said for a few days -- when it isn't as raw -- and decide what to do. Like @eggplantface said, it may be easier to take things one small step at a time. (I felt totally overwhelmed after my appointment yesterday, but when I thought about it more like, "Here's one new thing we can do each cycle that we don't get PG," it felt more doable than "OMG I HAVE TO DO FIVE HUNDRED THINGS AND I'LL NEVER HAVE A BABY" which was my first reaction.) Hugs.
And if you like charting, keep charting. Your RE doesn't know everything. And ditto everything @mrsdaddario said (since I wrote this before I saw her post but give her a hearty +1)