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IF/Testing Weekly Check-In 7/25

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Re: IF/Testing Weekly Check-In 7/25

  • @NamelessAria Ugh that is hard! I spent a few hours on Monday with my hs best friend who is like, three weeks from giving birth to her second. I tried to be present and attentive, but I found myself quieter than normal. It's really hard to adjust to IF in itself, let alone without constant reminders around us. I suppose it's a lot like trying to kick an addiction. Your quitting smoking, seems like everyone smokes. Your quitting drinking, alcohol everywhere. You try to keep your mind off TTTC, babies...everywhere. 
  • @NamelessAria DITTO. My SIL just announced that she's expecting #2, and I had the pleasure of spending time with her over the weekend while I was enjoying tons of spotting during the afterglow of my BFN. Fortunately my SIL does not like the spotlight and didn't want to talk about her pregnancy much. But still. The jealousy is real. I feel you.
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  • @NamelessAria I'm sorry you're having such a hard day. I had a very similar situation with my SIL. We had already been trying for about 4 or 5 months when she told me they were going to start trying...sure enough they announced they were pregnant a few weeks later. I cried so hard that weekend. The baby is here now and we are thrilled to have a nephew but it's incredibly hard seeing how happy they are. They'll never understand just how difficult it is for us. 
    I hope you are taking care of yourself. Hugs!
    Me: 29 years old, DH: 31 years old
    TTC #1 since July 2015
    SA Feb 2016 & May 2016: Excellent count and motility, 3% morphology
    Surgery Dec 2016: submucosal fibroid removed
    Awaiting RE appointment

  • @Daisy621; I'm sorry that I'm most likely one of the posters causing you to have a hard time. I can stop talking about him for a while or add a TW. Really, which ever would be easier for you. 
  • @mrsdaddario - I've seen that picture and it is so touching! I wanted to do something similar. I don't think many people understand just how much "stuff" we go through trying to get pregnant. My friend was the one that actually saw it and sent it to me, and asked if that's really what it takes. She thought you got an IF diagnosis, and maybe got a turkey baster and then sometimes a miracle happens. She had no idea it actually took shots and pills and a million other things... even though I had told her it did/ The visual really did help her understand. 
    TTC #1 since September 2014
    Diagnoses: RPL, Endometriosis, MFI (count, morph, DNI, DNAS, multiple bilateral subclinical varicoceles), low progesterone
    Check out my Infertility blog 
    Check out my Infertility Instagram

    Loss History (TW):
    BFP: 3 May 2015, loss confirmed 4 June 2015
    BFP: 15 August 2015, loss confirmed 23 August 2015
    BFP: 16 November 2015, loss confirmed 22 November 2015
    BFP: 18 July 2016, loss confirmed same day
    BFP: 04 March 2018, loss confirmed 23 March 2018
    BFP: 12 June 2018, TWINS; D&C 06 July 2018
    TTC History (TW):
    3 losses in 2015
    Met with OBGYN in January 2016
    Me: all clear, H: OAT
    November 2016: HSG = All Clear!
    January 2017: H tested again,  High DNA fragmentation and stainability
    February 2017: Clomid + TI + Progesterone = BFN
    March 2017: Clomid + HCG + IUI + Progesterone = SA/wash: zero count on attempt #1, <1,000 on attempt #2= BFN
    Varicocele Embolization- 5 May 17
    December 2017 SA: Zero improvement after embolization
    January IVF- 25 retrieved, 11 mature, 8 fertilized, 3 frozen day fives (3AA, 3AA, 3AA), 1 frozen day 6 (5BB), 1 frozen day 7 (3CC)
    Three PGS normal (3AA, 3AA, 5BB), one inconclusive (3AA)
    FET #1: 27 February 2018, 3AA & 5BB, one stuck! BFP 04 March 2018.... Loss confirmed 23 March 2018
    May 2018: SHG/SIS = all clear "beautiful uterus"
    FET #2: 04 June 2018, 3AA PGS normal embryo, 3AA PGS hatching inconclusive embryo. 
    BFP: 12 June 2018, EDD 20 February 2019
    Ultrasound, 25 June 2018: There are two
    Lost Baby A 02 July 2018
    Baby B not growing, D&C 06 July 2018
    Laparoscopy, hysteroscopy, chromotubation: 23 July 2018: blocked right tube, heavily inflamed, covered in endo. Removed right tube. Removed more endo from uterus, tubes, ovaries. Endo remains on bladder and bowel. 
    Next Up:
    TTC Naturally, possibly IUIs for remainder of 2018. 
    ER#2 ~Jan 2019
            

  • Late to the game, as I have been avoiding TTGP. For a long time I just couldn't handle the possibility of seeing a drive-by. I've been a depressed wreck, but I gotta pull out of it and deal so here I am. 

    Diagnosis (If you've been): Severe MFI & RPL

    Cycle/CD: Cycle 23, CD20

    Status (WTO/TWW/TTA):  TWW

    What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?): Nothing. We met with the reproductive urologist and then the reproductive endocrinologist on the same day earlier this week. So that was a big step forward. 
      
    How are things going? af,gh aklrhjgtklahk;rjg.  Long story short, Boo has varicoceles. They're super small, we don't know if surgery/cauterization will work. We opted out. Boo is on Clomid (off-label use: it's essentially estrogen, which should work to increase the testosterone, which should increase sperm count), we do a retest SA in 6 weeks (we are going to give it till first week of September, I think?). If counts are up, we will do an IUI. If not, straight to IVF. With IUI and increased counts (doc wants to see a minimum of 40 mill total), we were given a 12% chance per IUI. We would do this max of three times. With IVF, we would have the normal 40-80%. A BIG part of me wants to skip straight to IVF. The RE recommended a DNA fragmentation test. I get to skip the HSG since I have been pregnant, but I'm thinking about doing it anyway, just in case. I don't know. I feel like we are moving forward, which is great compared to sitting stagnant. But I also feel like the walls are closing in on me because we have so few choices. 
      
    Any questions? Anyone know the cost of DNA fragmentation test?


    GTKY: What is one movie that never fails to make you laugh your butt off? Anything animated. Because I am a child. 
    TTC #1 since September 2014
    Diagnoses: RPL, Endometriosis, MFI (count, morph, DNI, DNAS, multiple bilateral subclinical varicoceles), low progesterone
    Check out my Infertility blog 
    Check out my Infertility Instagram

    Loss History (TW):
    BFP: 3 May 2015, loss confirmed 4 June 2015
    BFP: 15 August 2015, loss confirmed 23 August 2015
    BFP: 16 November 2015, loss confirmed 22 November 2015
    BFP: 18 July 2016, loss confirmed same day
    BFP: 04 March 2018, loss confirmed 23 March 2018
    BFP: 12 June 2018, TWINS; D&C 06 July 2018
    TTC History (TW):
    3 losses in 2015
    Met with OBGYN in January 2016
    Me: all clear, H: OAT
    November 2016: HSG = All Clear!
    January 2017: H tested again,  High DNA fragmentation and stainability
    February 2017: Clomid + TI + Progesterone = BFN
    March 2017: Clomid + HCG + IUI + Progesterone = SA/wash: zero count on attempt #1, <1,000 on attempt #2= BFN
    Varicocele Embolization- 5 May 17
    December 2017 SA: Zero improvement after embolization
    January IVF- 25 retrieved, 11 mature, 8 fertilized, 3 frozen day fives (3AA, 3AA, 3AA), 1 frozen day 6 (5BB), 1 frozen day 7 (3CC)
    Three PGS normal (3AA, 3AA, 5BB), one inconclusive (3AA)
    FET #1: 27 February 2018, 3AA & 5BB, one stuck! BFP 04 March 2018.... Loss confirmed 23 March 2018
    May 2018: SHG/SIS = all clear "beautiful uterus"
    FET #2: 04 June 2018, 3AA PGS normal embryo, 3AA PGS hatching inconclusive embryo. 
    BFP: 12 June 2018, EDD 20 February 2019
    Ultrasound, 25 June 2018: There are two
    Lost Baby A 02 July 2018
    Baby B not growing, D&C 06 July 2018
    Laparoscopy, hysteroscopy, chromotubation: 23 July 2018: blocked right tube, heavily inflamed, covered in endo. Removed right tube. Removed more endo from uterus, tubes, ovaries. Endo remains on bladder and bowel. 
    Next Up:
    TTC Naturally, possibly IUIs for remainder of 2018. 
    ER#2 ~Jan 2019
            

  • @KristoB I will look through our records and see if I can find the cost of our DNA frag test, it was partially covered by insurance (we only get some testing coverage, no treatment :( )

    Me 34 DH 36 Married since July 2010 
    MFI (High DNA Fragmentation) & Mild endometriosis
    TTC #1 since June 2015 
    Aug 2016 - May 2017  6 IUI's with letrozole - BFN
    April 2017 - laparoscopy to remove mild endo
    June 2017 - Mini IVF letrozole 12.5mg, Gonal-F 75IU - Cancelled early ovulation, no eggs retrieved. 
    Aug/Sept 2017 - Mini IVF letrozole 12.5mg, Gonal-F 75IU, cetrotide - 13 eggs retrieved, 11 mature
    5 eggs ICSI'd 6 eggs frozen - 1 day 5 blast transfered, 2 expanded blast frozen - BFP!
    May 2018 - Baby girl born - Our Joy

    TTC #2 since July 2019
    July 2019 - FET - BFN
    Jan 2020 - FET - canceled due to family health issues
    Mar 2020 - FET - low beta - chemical pregnancy
    July 2020 - ICSI'd remaining 6 eggs - 3 fertilized - 2 survived to early blast stage, transfered both - Chemical Pregnancy


  • edited July 2016
    @ReesaAnne16 - I'd really appreciate it. I'm sure the price will be a bit different. They tend to charge insurance a ton, and our insurance doesn't cover anything, so it's all cash pay. 
    Sorry that your insurance doesn't cover treatment. Overall, insurance sucks in this department regardless of whether they pay anything or not. :/

    Edit: Spelling. der. 
    TTC #1 since September 2014
    Diagnoses: RPL, Endometriosis, MFI (count, morph, DNI, DNAS, multiple bilateral subclinical varicoceles), low progesterone
    Check out my Infertility blog 
    Check out my Infertility Instagram

    Loss History (TW):
    BFP: 3 May 2015, loss confirmed 4 June 2015
    BFP: 15 August 2015, loss confirmed 23 August 2015
    BFP: 16 November 2015, loss confirmed 22 November 2015
    BFP: 18 July 2016, loss confirmed same day
    BFP: 04 March 2018, loss confirmed 23 March 2018
    BFP: 12 June 2018, TWINS; D&C 06 July 2018
    TTC History (TW):
    3 losses in 2015
    Met with OBGYN in January 2016
    Me: all clear, H: OAT
    November 2016: HSG = All Clear!
    January 2017: H tested again,  High DNA fragmentation and stainability
    February 2017: Clomid + TI + Progesterone = BFN
    March 2017: Clomid + HCG + IUI + Progesterone = SA/wash: zero count on attempt #1, <1,000 on attempt #2= BFN
    Varicocele Embolization- 5 May 17
    December 2017 SA: Zero improvement after embolization
    January IVF- 25 retrieved, 11 mature, 8 fertilized, 3 frozen day fives (3AA, 3AA, 3AA), 1 frozen day 6 (5BB), 1 frozen day 7 (3CC)
    Three PGS normal (3AA, 3AA, 5BB), one inconclusive (3AA)
    FET #1: 27 February 2018, 3AA & 5BB, one stuck! BFP 04 March 2018.... Loss confirmed 23 March 2018
    May 2018: SHG/SIS = all clear "beautiful uterus"
    FET #2: 04 June 2018, 3AA PGS normal embryo, 3AA PGS hatching inconclusive embryo. 
    BFP: 12 June 2018, EDD 20 February 2019
    Ultrasound, 25 June 2018: There are two
    Lost Baby A 02 July 2018
    Baby B not growing, D&C 06 July 2018
    Laparoscopy, hysteroscopy, chromotubation: 23 July 2018: blocked right tube, heavily inflamed, covered in endo. Removed right tube. Removed more endo from uterus, tubes, ovaries. Endo remains on bladder and bowel. 
    Next Up:
    TTC Naturally, possibly IUIs for remainder of 2018. 
    ER#2 ~Jan 2019
            

  • @KristoB  It was cheaper than I remembered; for some reason $120 came to mind, but that was the cost of the consultation with the urologist and SA. The DNA frag test only cost us $22 out of pocket (our insurance was billed $105, but only $44 was allowed, so we paid half that.) 
    It makes me wonder if we should have the test repeated, since I've had DH on supplements since January, and it wasn't that expensive to have checked. Maybe we will have it checked again if IUI's aren't working for us. 

    Let me know if you find any information regarding DNA frag and success rate for IUI/IVF. Our RE didn't feel that the high DNA frag result was a concern, and didn't think it would lower our IUI chances, but that's not what "the internet" says :/

    Me 34 DH 36 Married since July 2010 
    MFI (High DNA Fragmentation) & Mild endometriosis
    TTC #1 since June 2015 
    Aug 2016 - May 2017  6 IUI's with letrozole - BFN
    April 2017 - laparoscopy to remove mild endo
    June 2017 - Mini IVF letrozole 12.5mg, Gonal-F 75IU - Cancelled early ovulation, no eggs retrieved. 
    Aug/Sept 2017 - Mini IVF letrozole 12.5mg, Gonal-F 75IU, cetrotide - 13 eggs retrieved, 11 mature
    5 eggs ICSI'd 6 eggs frozen - 1 day 5 blast transfered, 2 expanded blast frozen - BFP!
    May 2018 - Baby girl born - Our Joy

    TTC #2 since July 2019
    July 2019 - FET - BFN
    Jan 2020 - FET - canceled due to family health issues
    Mar 2020 - FET - low beta - chemical pregnancy
    July 2020 - ICSI'd remaining 6 eggs - 3 fertilized - 2 survived to early blast stage, transfered both - Chemical Pregnancy


  • @ReesaAnne16 - Woah. I was not expecting it to be that cheap. I was expecting several hundred, so I was considering skipping it for the first IUI, if we go that route. I probably won't now. 
    As far as DNA frag and IUIs, I haven't found too terribly much. What was your result? My RE said she would skip the IUI and go straight to IVF if fragmentation was anywhere greater than I believe 10%. Which is a pretty tight number, I think. I might be remembering wrong. I think I recorded the conversation, so I will have to re-listen and double check it. 
    TTC #1 since September 2014
    Diagnoses: RPL, Endometriosis, MFI (count, morph, DNI, DNAS, multiple bilateral subclinical varicoceles), low progesterone
    Check out my Infertility blog 
    Check out my Infertility Instagram

    Loss History (TW):
    BFP: 3 May 2015, loss confirmed 4 June 2015
    BFP: 15 August 2015, loss confirmed 23 August 2015
    BFP: 16 November 2015, loss confirmed 22 November 2015
    BFP: 18 July 2016, loss confirmed same day
    BFP: 04 March 2018, loss confirmed 23 March 2018
    BFP: 12 June 2018, TWINS; D&C 06 July 2018
    TTC History (TW):
    3 losses in 2015
    Met with OBGYN in January 2016
    Me: all clear, H: OAT
    November 2016: HSG = All Clear!
    January 2017: H tested again,  High DNA fragmentation and stainability
    February 2017: Clomid + TI + Progesterone = BFN
    March 2017: Clomid + HCG + IUI + Progesterone = SA/wash: zero count on attempt #1, <1,000 on attempt #2= BFN
    Varicocele Embolization- 5 May 17
    December 2017 SA: Zero improvement after embolization
    January IVF- 25 retrieved, 11 mature, 8 fertilized, 3 frozen day fives (3AA, 3AA, 3AA), 1 frozen day 6 (5BB), 1 frozen day 7 (3CC)
    Three PGS normal (3AA, 3AA, 5BB), one inconclusive (3AA)
    FET #1: 27 February 2018, 3AA & 5BB, one stuck! BFP 04 March 2018.... Loss confirmed 23 March 2018
    May 2018: SHG/SIS = all clear "beautiful uterus"
    FET #2: 04 June 2018, 3AA PGS normal embryo, 3AA PGS hatching inconclusive embryo. 
    BFP: 12 June 2018, EDD 20 February 2019
    Ultrasound, 25 June 2018: There are two
    Lost Baby A 02 July 2018
    Baby B not growing, D&C 06 July 2018
    Laparoscopy, hysteroscopy, chromotubation: 23 July 2018: blocked right tube, heavily inflamed, covered in endo. Removed right tube. Removed more endo from uterus, tubes, ovaries. Endo remains on bladder and bowel. 
    Next Up:
    TTC Naturally, possibly IUIs for remainder of 2018. 
    ER#2 ~Jan 2019
            

  • @KristoB  42% :(  I worry our RE is overly optimistic.  Even the interpretation report from the lab says anything under 20 is normal, 20-30 is borderline, and >30 is very poor (meaning don't even bother with IUI, your only chance is IVF with ICSI) 
    It's been a constant frustration for me, I have asked the nurses several times why would the report say this, and yet our RE is saying something COMPLETELY different. Of course you can never talk to the doctor over the phone, so the nurses keep saying "Dr. says that the semen washing prior to IUI will remove damaged sperm... blah blah..."

    So our options are PAY for another in-person consult just to discuss this issue in detail some more, OR just try the IUI and see what happens (and hopefully be able to ask my doctor directly about this question during my IUI appointment). 
    Sorry for my rant... it has obviously been a source of frustration for us. 

    Me 34 DH 36 Married since July 2010 
    MFI (High DNA Fragmentation) & Mild endometriosis
    TTC #1 since June 2015 
    Aug 2016 - May 2017  6 IUI's with letrozole - BFN
    April 2017 - laparoscopy to remove mild endo
    June 2017 - Mini IVF letrozole 12.5mg, Gonal-F 75IU - Cancelled early ovulation, no eggs retrieved. 
    Aug/Sept 2017 - Mini IVF letrozole 12.5mg, Gonal-F 75IU, cetrotide - 13 eggs retrieved, 11 mature
    5 eggs ICSI'd 6 eggs frozen - 1 day 5 blast transfered, 2 expanded blast frozen - BFP!
    May 2018 - Baby girl born - Our Joy

    TTC #2 since July 2019
    July 2019 - FET - BFN
    Jan 2020 - FET - canceled due to family health issues
    Mar 2020 - FET - low beta - chemical pregnancy
    July 2020 - ICSI'd remaining 6 eggs - 3 fertilized - 2 survived to early blast stage, transfered both - Chemical Pregnancy


  • @ReesaAnne16 - Geeze... Are you going to have a retest? Maybe after lifestyle changes she's hoping for improvement? Honestly, I am a terrible patient because I go into appointments armed with articles from scientific journals and ask for justification when my doc does something outside of the norm. Sometimes I get a great explanation, other times they kinda cede to me and decide to go another route. 

    Also, as far as the washing removing damaged sperm, uh. no. The washing removes dead sperm, immobile sperm, terribly morphed sperm, mucus, and debris. If the DNA is fragmented inside an otherwise normal sperm, the washing doesn't remove them. In fact, research says washing can actually damage sperm (which is not a concern in those that already have normal sperm, as it's not a super high amount of damage).

    I don't have much advice, since we haven't gotten to that point quite yet, but I encourage you to advocate for yourself. You are paying for this, if you aren't convinced this is the absolutely best route of treatment, then you shouldn't go through with it. You need to be either convinced you have a shot, or taken to a different path. I might only feel this way because I am a crazed money-saver, but really. This stuff is all already so dang expensive, why waste money on IUIs that are going to fail? That money could go to savings for IVF/adoption down the road. 

    And now I rambled because I also get fed up with all this stuff. :)
    TTC #1 since September 2014
    Diagnoses: RPL, Endometriosis, MFI (count, morph, DNI, DNAS, multiple bilateral subclinical varicoceles), low progesterone
    Check out my Infertility blog 
    Check out my Infertility Instagram

    Loss History (TW):
    BFP: 3 May 2015, loss confirmed 4 June 2015
    BFP: 15 August 2015, loss confirmed 23 August 2015
    BFP: 16 November 2015, loss confirmed 22 November 2015
    BFP: 18 July 2016, loss confirmed same day
    BFP: 04 March 2018, loss confirmed 23 March 2018
    BFP: 12 June 2018, TWINS; D&C 06 July 2018
    TTC History (TW):
    3 losses in 2015
    Met with OBGYN in January 2016
    Me: all clear, H: OAT
    November 2016: HSG = All Clear!
    January 2017: H tested again,  High DNA fragmentation and stainability
    February 2017: Clomid + TI + Progesterone = BFN
    March 2017: Clomid + HCG + IUI + Progesterone = SA/wash: zero count on attempt #1, <1,000 on attempt #2= BFN
    Varicocele Embolization- 5 May 17
    December 2017 SA: Zero improvement after embolization
    January IVF- 25 retrieved, 11 mature, 8 fertilized, 3 frozen day fives (3AA, 3AA, 3AA), 1 frozen day 6 (5BB), 1 frozen day 7 (3CC)
    Three PGS normal (3AA, 3AA, 5BB), one inconclusive (3AA)
    FET #1: 27 February 2018, 3AA & 5BB, one stuck! BFP 04 March 2018.... Loss confirmed 23 March 2018
    May 2018: SHG/SIS = all clear "beautiful uterus"
    FET #2: 04 June 2018, 3AA PGS normal embryo, 3AA PGS hatching inconclusive embryo. 
    BFP: 12 June 2018, EDD 20 February 2019
    Ultrasound, 25 June 2018: There are two
    Lost Baby A 02 July 2018
    Baby B not growing, D&C 06 July 2018
    Laparoscopy, hysteroscopy, chromotubation: 23 July 2018: blocked right tube, heavily inflamed, covered in endo. Removed right tube. Removed more endo from uterus, tubes, ovaries. Endo remains on bladder and bowel. 
    Next Up:
    TTC Naturally, possibly IUIs for remainder of 2018. 
    ER#2 ~Jan 2019
            

  • @KristoB , FWIW, If I had the option to go straight to IVF I would have. Are you OOP or does your insurance cover and you have to do the IUIs? If you are OOP I personally believe that moving straight to IVF would be the best decision financially and emotionally. 

    My RE gave us a 7% chance of success with IUI. Due to the fact that we are dealing with insurance (which I am beyond grateful for) we were required to do 2 IUIs before moving to IVF. 


    TTC since June 2015
    DH {29} Me {26}
    PCOS Diagnosis | September 2015
    IF Specialist | November 2015
    Provera | November 2015 | 179 Days since last AF
    HSG | December 2015 | All Clear
    Provera | January 2016 | 46 Days since last AF
    1st round of Femara 2.5mgs | January 2016 | No response
    Provera | February 2016 | 44 Days since last AF
    2nd round of Femara 5mgs | March 2016 | O CD18 | AF 3/28/2016
    3rd round of Femara 5mgs | March/April 2016 | No response | AF 5/6/2016
    4th round of Femara 7.5mgs | May 2016 | BFP June 4, 2015
    EDD: 2/15/2017 | Loss Discovered: 6/11/2016 | NMC: 6/15/2015
    Gonal-F 75 IU upped to 100 IU | June 2016 | IUI June 29, 2016 | Beta: July 13, 2016 | AF 7/12/2016
    Gonal-F 75 IU upped to 112.5IU | July 2016 | IUI July 27, 2016 | Beta: August 10, 2016 | + Beta 171!
    BFP on Digi 8/8/2016 | Beta #2: 396 = 39 hour doubling time | Beta #3: 1659 = 34 hour doubling time
    First ultrasound: August 17, 2016; 5 weeks; Gestational Sac and yolk
    Second ultrasound: August 25, 2016; 6W+1D; Heartbeat 105bpm
    Third ultrasound: August 31, 2016; 7 weeks; Heartbeat 136bpm
    Graduated from RE: August 31, 2016
    EDD: April 17, 2017


  • @HarryPotterandCats
    #1 I LOVE YOUR USERNAME
    #2 We are 100% OOP. Thanks for your take on it. I am really leaning toward asking for IVF directly, because then we could also skip HSG, DNA frag test, etc. But my DH is wanting to try the IUIs so we don't spend more money than necessary. The IUIs are only 335, including everything, so that's not bad.... but after three of them, if that's what it takes, that's a lot to add on top of IVF. Part of me is hoping the Clomid doesn't increase the counts enough to move to IUI so our choice is made for us. At the very least, it would mean a much shorter time to either get pregnant, or to know it's never gonna happen and move on. Considering September makes 2 years, I'm just really wanting to move on, whatever that means. 
    TTC #1 since September 2014
    Diagnoses: RPL, Endometriosis, MFI (count, morph, DNI, DNAS, multiple bilateral subclinical varicoceles), low progesterone
    Check out my Infertility blog 
    Check out my Infertility Instagram

    Loss History (TW):
    BFP: 3 May 2015, loss confirmed 4 June 2015
    BFP: 15 August 2015, loss confirmed 23 August 2015
    BFP: 16 November 2015, loss confirmed 22 November 2015
    BFP: 18 July 2016, loss confirmed same day
    BFP: 04 March 2018, loss confirmed 23 March 2018
    BFP: 12 June 2018, TWINS; D&C 06 July 2018
    TTC History (TW):
    3 losses in 2015
    Met with OBGYN in January 2016
    Me: all clear, H: OAT
    November 2016: HSG = All Clear!
    January 2017: H tested again,  High DNA fragmentation and stainability
    February 2017: Clomid + TI + Progesterone = BFN
    March 2017: Clomid + HCG + IUI + Progesterone = SA/wash: zero count on attempt #1, <1,000 on attempt #2= BFN
    Varicocele Embolization- 5 May 17
    December 2017 SA: Zero improvement after embolization
    January IVF- 25 retrieved, 11 mature, 8 fertilized, 3 frozen day fives (3AA, 3AA, 3AA), 1 frozen day 6 (5BB), 1 frozen day 7 (3CC)
    Three PGS normal (3AA, 3AA, 5BB), one inconclusive (3AA)
    FET #1: 27 February 2018, 3AA & 5BB, one stuck! BFP 04 March 2018.... Loss confirmed 23 March 2018
    May 2018: SHG/SIS = all clear "beautiful uterus"
    FET #2: 04 June 2018, 3AA PGS normal embryo, 3AA PGS hatching inconclusive embryo. 
    BFP: 12 June 2018, EDD 20 February 2019
    Ultrasound, 25 June 2018: There are two
    Lost Baby A 02 July 2018
    Baby B not growing, D&C 06 July 2018
    Laparoscopy, hysteroscopy, chromotubation: 23 July 2018: blocked right tube, heavily inflamed, covered in endo. Removed right tube. Removed more endo from uterus, tubes, ovaries. Endo remains on bladder and bowel. 
    Next Up:
    TTC Naturally, possibly IUIs for remainder of 2018. 
    ER#2 ~Jan 2019
            

  • @KristoB   I appreciate your input, and it will definitely be a heated conversation the next chance I get with my RE, but unfortunately IUIs are the end of the road for us, so it's either try them, or do nothing. 

    Me 34 DH 36 Married since July 2010 
    MFI (High DNA Fragmentation) & Mild endometriosis
    TTC #1 since June 2015 
    Aug 2016 - May 2017  6 IUI's with letrozole - BFN
    April 2017 - laparoscopy to remove mild endo
    June 2017 - Mini IVF letrozole 12.5mg, Gonal-F 75IU - Cancelled early ovulation, no eggs retrieved. 
    Aug/Sept 2017 - Mini IVF letrozole 12.5mg, Gonal-F 75IU, cetrotide - 13 eggs retrieved, 11 mature
    5 eggs ICSI'd 6 eggs frozen - 1 day 5 blast transfered, 2 expanded blast frozen - BFP!
    May 2018 - Baby girl born - Our Joy

    TTC #2 since July 2019
    July 2019 - FET - BFN
    Jan 2020 - FET - canceled due to family health issues
    Mar 2020 - FET - low beta - chemical pregnancy
    July 2020 - ICSI'd remaining 6 eggs - 3 fertilized - 2 survived to early blast stage, transfered both - Chemical Pregnancy


  • @ReesaAnne16 Well I hope you get answers! Sorry to hear you're reaching the end. My fingers are crossed for you!
    TTC #1 since September 2014
    Diagnoses: RPL, Endometriosis, MFI (count, morph, DNI, DNAS, multiple bilateral subclinical varicoceles), low progesterone
    Check out my Infertility blog 
    Check out my Infertility Instagram

    Loss History (TW):
    BFP: 3 May 2015, loss confirmed 4 June 2015
    BFP: 15 August 2015, loss confirmed 23 August 2015
    BFP: 16 November 2015, loss confirmed 22 November 2015
    BFP: 18 July 2016, loss confirmed same day
    BFP: 04 March 2018, loss confirmed 23 March 2018
    BFP: 12 June 2018, TWINS; D&C 06 July 2018
    TTC History (TW):
    3 losses in 2015
    Met with OBGYN in January 2016
    Me: all clear, H: OAT
    November 2016: HSG = All Clear!
    January 2017: H tested again,  High DNA fragmentation and stainability
    February 2017: Clomid + TI + Progesterone = BFN
    March 2017: Clomid + HCG + IUI + Progesterone = SA/wash: zero count on attempt #1, <1,000 on attempt #2= BFN
    Varicocele Embolization- 5 May 17
    December 2017 SA: Zero improvement after embolization
    January IVF- 25 retrieved, 11 mature, 8 fertilized, 3 frozen day fives (3AA, 3AA, 3AA), 1 frozen day 6 (5BB), 1 frozen day 7 (3CC)
    Three PGS normal (3AA, 3AA, 5BB), one inconclusive (3AA)
    FET #1: 27 February 2018, 3AA & 5BB, one stuck! BFP 04 March 2018.... Loss confirmed 23 March 2018
    May 2018: SHG/SIS = all clear "beautiful uterus"
    FET #2: 04 June 2018, 3AA PGS normal embryo, 3AA PGS hatching inconclusive embryo. 
    BFP: 12 June 2018, EDD 20 February 2019
    Ultrasound, 25 June 2018: There are two
    Lost Baby A 02 July 2018
    Baby B not growing, D&C 06 July 2018
    Laparoscopy, hysteroscopy, chromotubation: 23 July 2018: blocked right tube, heavily inflamed, covered in endo. Removed right tube. Removed more endo from uterus, tubes, ovaries. Endo remains on bladder and bowel. 
    Next Up:
    TTC Naturally, possibly IUIs for remainder of 2018. 
    ER#2 ~Jan 2019
            

  • KristoB said:
    @HarryPotterandCats
    #1 I LOVE YOUR USERNAME
    #2 We are 100% OOP. Thanks for your take on it. I am really leaning toward asking for IVF directly, because then we could also skip HSG, DNA frag test, etc. But my DH is wanting to try the IUIs so we don't spend more money than necessary. The IUIs are only 335, including everything, so that's not bad.... but after three of them, if that's what it takes, that's a lot to add on top of IVF. Part of me is hoping the Clomid doesn't increase the counts enough to move to IUI so our choice is made for us. At the very least, it would mean a much shorter time to either get pregnant, or to know it's never gonna happen and move on. Considering September makes 2 years, I'm just really wanting to move on, whatever that means. 
    Thanks :) 

    i know why you mean about hoping that the Clomid didnt work. We had the possibility to H not being able to have children due to a knicked tube from a hernia surgery when he was younger. I was secretly hoping his results would be poor so we could just move forward. I felt guilty but it would have moved everything forward. 

    Your IUIs are so cheap (for IF purposes, lol). Mine were more expensive because I had to be on injectables. 

    The only thing I can suggest is sitting down with your H and writing out a pros vs. cons list for doing IUI (if possible) and IVF. That may help show him that IVF is the best possible route because there is a great possibility that you will have more then one embryo after transfer to freeze. Then you wont have to worry about all this again (if you want more then one child that is) 


    TTC since June 2015
    DH {29} Me {26}
    PCOS Diagnosis | September 2015
    IF Specialist | November 2015
    Provera | November 2015 | 179 Days since last AF
    HSG | December 2015 | All Clear
    Provera | January 2016 | 46 Days since last AF
    1st round of Femara 2.5mgs | January 2016 | No response
    Provera | February 2016 | 44 Days since last AF
    2nd round of Femara 5mgs | March 2016 | O CD18 | AF 3/28/2016
    3rd round of Femara 5mgs | March/April 2016 | No response | AF 5/6/2016
    4th round of Femara 7.5mgs | May 2016 | BFP June 4, 2015
    EDD: 2/15/2017 | Loss Discovered: 6/11/2016 | NMC: 6/15/2015
    Gonal-F 75 IU upped to 100 IU | June 2016 | IUI June 29, 2016 | Beta: July 13, 2016 | AF 7/12/2016
    Gonal-F 75 IU upped to 112.5IU | July 2016 | IUI July 27, 2016 | Beta: August 10, 2016 | + Beta 171!
    BFP on Digi 8/8/2016 | Beta #2: 396 = 39 hour doubling time | Beta #3: 1659 = 34 hour doubling time
    First ultrasound: August 17, 2016; 5 weeks; Gestational Sac and yolk
    Second ultrasound: August 25, 2016; 6W+1D; Heartbeat 105bpm
    Third ultrasound: August 31, 2016; 7 weeks; Heartbeat 136bpm
    Graduated from RE: August 31, 2016
    EDD: April 17, 2017


  • @HarryPotterandCats
    They are pretty cheap, mostly because I don't have any issues ovulating or anything so we wouldn't have to do meds. 
    I think we are just gonna do the "hurry up and wait" deal for now till we redo the SA and then have a super serious conversation. I am working hard to save as much as possible between now and then so I can say "see? I already have X% saved up for IVF, it's not that bad" We will see how that works.... 

    I see from your sig. you just had an IUI? Good luck!
    TTC #1 since September 2014
    Diagnoses: RPL, Endometriosis, MFI (count, morph, DNI, DNAS, multiple bilateral subclinical varicoceles), low progesterone
    Check out my Infertility blog 
    Check out my Infertility Instagram

    Loss History (TW):
    BFP: 3 May 2015, loss confirmed 4 June 2015
    BFP: 15 August 2015, loss confirmed 23 August 2015
    BFP: 16 November 2015, loss confirmed 22 November 2015
    BFP: 18 July 2016, loss confirmed same day
    BFP: 04 March 2018, loss confirmed 23 March 2018
    BFP: 12 June 2018, TWINS; D&C 06 July 2018
    TTC History (TW):
    3 losses in 2015
    Met with OBGYN in January 2016
    Me: all clear, H: OAT
    November 2016: HSG = All Clear!
    January 2017: H tested again,  High DNA fragmentation and stainability
    February 2017: Clomid + TI + Progesterone = BFN
    March 2017: Clomid + HCG + IUI + Progesterone = SA/wash: zero count on attempt #1, <1,000 on attempt #2= BFN
    Varicocele Embolization- 5 May 17
    December 2017 SA: Zero improvement after embolization
    January IVF- 25 retrieved, 11 mature, 8 fertilized, 3 frozen day fives (3AA, 3AA, 3AA), 1 frozen day 6 (5BB), 1 frozen day 7 (3CC)
    Three PGS normal (3AA, 3AA, 5BB), one inconclusive (3AA)
    FET #1: 27 February 2018, 3AA & 5BB, one stuck! BFP 04 March 2018.... Loss confirmed 23 March 2018
    May 2018: SHG/SIS = all clear "beautiful uterus"
    FET #2: 04 June 2018, 3AA PGS normal embryo, 3AA PGS hatching inconclusive embryo. 
    BFP: 12 June 2018, EDD 20 February 2019
    Ultrasound, 25 June 2018: There are two
    Lost Baby A 02 July 2018
    Baby B not growing, D&C 06 July 2018
    Laparoscopy, hysteroscopy, chromotubation: 23 July 2018: blocked right tube, heavily inflamed, covered in endo. Removed right tube. Removed more endo from uterus, tubes, ovaries. Endo remains on bladder and bowel. 
    Next Up:
    TTC Naturally, possibly IUIs for remainder of 2018. 
    ER#2 ~Jan 2019
            

  • I posted this question somewhere else, but I think it got lost! 

    Can an someone remind me what "watery" CM means. On and off today I've had very watery CM. I usually lack any and all CM so I honestly can't remember what watery means. I realize since my follicle scan yesterday was no where near O, that I'm not close, but I'm just curious if anyone has any experience with "watery".
  • ReesaAnne16ReesaAnne16 member
    edited July 2016
    I posted this question somewhere else, but I think it got lost! 

    Can an someone remind me what "watery" CM means. On and off today I've had very watery CM. I usually lack any and all CM so I honestly can't remember what watery means. I realize since my follicle scan yesterday was no where near O, that I'm not close, but I'm just curious if anyone has any experience with "watery".
    Watery is supposed to mean fertile (watery & eggwhite are the 2 fertile ones) I usually get watery leading up to eggwhite and then maybe 1-2days after (still pre-O). Usually it starts 5-6 days before ovulation for me

    Me 34 DH 36 Married since July 2010 
    MFI (High DNA Fragmentation) & Mild endometriosis
    TTC #1 since June 2015 
    Aug 2016 - May 2017  6 IUI's with letrozole - BFN
    April 2017 - laparoscopy to remove mild endo
    June 2017 - Mini IVF letrozole 12.5mg, Gonal-F 75IU - Cancelled early ovulation, no eggs retrieved. 
    Aug/Sept 2017 - Mini IVF letrozole 12.5mg, Gonal-F 75IU, cetrotide - 13 eggs retrieved, 11 mature
    5 eggs ICSI'd 6 eggs frozen - 1 day 5 blast transfered, 2 expanded blast frozen - BFP!
    May 2018 - Baby girl born - Our Joy

    TTC #2 since July 2019
    July 2019 - FET - BFN
    Jan 2020 - FET - canceled due to family health issues
    Mar 2020 - FET - low beta - chemical pregnancy
    July 2020 - ICSI'd remaining 6 eggs - 3 fertilized - 2 survived to early blast stage, transfered both - Chemical Pregnancy


  • whiskawhiska member
    @mrsdaddario I'll agree with @ReesaAnne16 that it happens 5-6 days pre-ovulation for me, but I only get it maybe 50% of my cycles.  CM in general I think is an issue for me.  

    Reading through all of this I just want to give everyone a big hug.  You're all in my thoughts and prayers!!!
    Me: 36  | DH 35, Married 2007
    TTC #1 June 2015
    April 2016 - AMH, FSH, Progesterone normal
    June 2016 - HSG clear
    *TW* BFP - Aug16, demise confirmed Sep16, incomplete m/c, D&C Nov16
    BFP 3/27/17, edd 12/7/17
    DS - 12/9/17 
    <3 
    TTC #2 December 2018 
    BFP 2/22/19, edd 11/4/19
    DD - 11/1/19 <3
    My Chart

  • @KristoB , good for you for putting your mind to things and saving. You will figure out whats best for you and roll with it. 

    & I did just have my second IUI! Not having any hopeful thoughts and just assuming IVF is our best bet. It helps me emotionally. Thanks for your positive thoughts! 


    TTC since June 2015
    DH {29} Me {26}
    PCOS Diagnosis | September 2015
    IF Specialist | November 2015
    Provera | November 2015 | 179 Days since last AF
    HSG | December 2015 | All Clear
    Provera | January 2016 | 46 Days since last AF
    1st round of Femara 2.5mgs | January 2016 | No response
    Provera | February 2016 | 44 Days since last AF
    2nd round of Femara 5mgs | March 2016 | O CD18 | AF 3/28/2016
    3rd round of Femara 5mgs | March/April 2016 | No response | AF 5/6/2016
    4th round of Femara 7.5mgs | May 2016 | BFP June 4, 2015
    EDD: 2/15/2017 | Loss Discovered: 6/11/2016 | NMC: 6/15/2015
    Gonal-F 75 IU upped to 100 IU | June 2016 | IUI June 29, 2016 | Beta: July 13, 2016 | AF 7/12/2016
    Gonal-F 75 IU upped to 112.5IU | July 2016 | IUI July 27, 2016 | Beta: August 10, 2016 | + Beta 171!
    BFP on Digi 8/8/2016 | Beta #2: 396 = 39 hour doubling time | Beta #3: 1659 = 34 hour doubling time
    First ultrasound: August 17, 2016; 5 weeks; Gestational Sac and yolk
    Second ultrasound: August 25, 2016; 6W+1D; Heartbeat 105bpm
    Third ultrasound: August 31, 2016; 7 weeks; Heartbeat 136bpm
    Graduated from RE: August 31, 2016
    EDD: April 17, 2017


  • Thanks ladies!!
  • kristismith95kristismith95 member
    edited July 2016
    Hi ladies! I mostly lurk but I hope you don't mind if I butt in. I just had my first RE appointment and I think your advice would be super helpful.

    Diagnosis (If you've been): high thyroid levels, but no IF diagnosis yet!

    Cycle/CD: 30

    Status (WTO/TWW/TTA):  TWW

    What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?) Lots of testing! I had my thyroid levels and 8DPO progesterone levels taken a few days ago. I also will have CD3 blood tests and an ultrasound of my ovaries soon. They will also be injecting contrast to see if my tube are open. Also SA for DH.
      
    How are things going? I'm just excited that we are finally getting things figured out.
      
    Any questions? So my progesterone levels came back at a 6.2 at 8DPO. From what I've read this seems pretty low but still in normal range. I won't get my RE's advice until a month from now and I'm wondering if anyone had similar results and what it meant for you?


    GTKY: What is one movie that never fails to make you laugh your butt off?
    Bridesmaids and of course the classic Mean Girls!
  • @kristismith95 Hi, welcome!! Most RE's say a normal progesterone level a week after O should be 10 or above for an unmedicated cycle, and 20 or above for a medicated cycle. Your number does seem to be on the lower side but anything over 3 indicates that you did in fact O. Typically while working with an RE, they will put you on progesterone, whether orally or a vaginal suppository, to get your numbers where they should be. Progesterone is really important as it's helps O and also creates a healthy environment for the follicle to attach and stay in your uterine lining. 
  • @mrsdaddario thank you! That's what I figured would happen. I'm just being impatient about sing my RE again. Lol!
  • @mokay19  Thank you, and you have a great point about TI after the IUI potentially.  My RE prefers Clomid to Femara but she mentioned that changing it up would be an option.  I guess there's a head-to-head clinical trial going on right now with Clomid and Femara that she's really interested in.

    @mrsdaddario  I'm so sorry for the disappointing results on the scan.  Are they letting you consult with the MD?  I hope your next scan shows growth.  All the creepy internet hugs.  Also, I know the photo you're talking about with the medications around the ultrasound picture, I thought that was extremely powerful and a lovely tribute to all those with IF go through.  Watery CM for me is the closest I usually get to egg white, my understanding is that it's also fertile CM.

    @LadyMillil  Thank you for that input - straight to IUI definitely makes sense when you put it in the context of dealing with Clomid side effects (I haven't taken it yet, but have heard it can be tough).  It's interesting that if it's going to work, it works in the first 3ish cycles.  I need to read more about that just out of curiosity.

    @whiska  YES to everything you said.  I've been lurking this thread since I went to the RE in June, because it feels like a better fit now.  It's getting a little tedious posting in the normal WTO/TWW threads every day because of the constant feeling that it's not working.  I hope your treatments also go well when you start (I've also only done bloodwork/exams/HSG up to this point), and it'd be awesome to have you as a treatments buddy.  

    @NamelessAria  Ugh... I know the feeling, and I'm sorry.  I wish I had more helpful words.  All the hugs.

    Thank you all for the warm welcome, it's a huge relief to have this thread!
    DD born PPROM preemie at 36 weeks on 10/1/17 after over a year TI, 
    then 3 failed IUIs, and finally a successful IVF FET.

    Due with #2 5/2/19 after HIO once in my FW,
    because apparently that's how life works now. Team Blue!
    Babysizer Geeky Pregnancy Tracker
  • Diagnosis (If you've been): factor v Leiden heterozygous 

    Cycle/CD: cd 6

    Status (WTO/TWW/TTA):  wto

    What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?) waiting on the rest of the test results to come in before talking to dr
      
    How are things going? I feel a little better after getting some of the test results back and knowing that there is a possibility to rectify this situation and hopefully move forward past my 2 mc this year. As I was being told my results over the phone the nurse did say that as soon as I got a positive pregnancy test to call her and she would call in lovenox and show me how to inject myself daily. Not looking forward to that, but happy there is a work around to get our little bundle of joy.
      
    Any questions? 
    Can you still deliver naturally with a blood clot disorder? Can I breast feed while on lovenox?

    GTKY: What is one movie that never fails to make you laugh your butt off? Supertroopers
  • @Lauren4508 I may be way out of line to post here since I haven't been TTC long enough to be in this category, but I'm lurking / empathizing and I wanted to say I'm rooting for you and all women here. I do have a little insight to blood disorders. I was diagnosed with VWD as a late teen after irregular clotting - bleeding gums, easy bruising, heavy periods, nose bleeds, scarring instead of scabbing, etc. BCP helped and I was given DDAVP / Stimate for surgeries. Fast forward to going off BCP and I had blood work done about 8 months ago. New hematologist says I don't have it... Either way, I've asked about childbirth several times over the years and got a few different answers. Sometimes I was told I would just need monitoring and others said possible medication if I started to hemmorage. I don't know your specific disorder, so I can't give much insight other than most GP and Ob/Gyn really didn't know much about hematology. Some didn't seem to ever have even heard of what I was diagnosed with. Good luck and fx for you!
    It's funny how it's the little things in life that mean the most...not where you live, or what you drive, or the price tag on your clothes... There's no dollar sign on a piece of mind, this I've come to know! *ZBB*

    Me: 36 DH 35 
    TTC  9/2016     BFP 12/9/16    EDD 8/21/17    NMC 1/8/16 at 7w6d
    TTC  2/2017  BFP 3/6/17   EDD 11/17/17   DS born 11/25/17 via ECS
    TTC 12/2018   BFP 6/2/19   EDD 2/12/20  NMC / BO at 7 weeks, low progesterone
    TTC 7/2019   BFP 8/21/19 EDD 4/22/20 CP at 5 weeks
    TTC 8/19    IUI #1 w/ Clomid + Ovidrel + progesterone  BFN, IUI 2 and 3 w/ Letrozole + Ovidrel + progesterone,
    IUI 4 Follistim + Ovidrel + progesterone BFP 1/9/20 EDD 9/18/20

    AMA, ITP in pregnancy, vWD type II - low Factor VIII, unexplained RPL and secondary infertility
  • @Lauren4508 I actually had a friend who has a blood clot disorder. She also has PCOS and she got pregnant after years and years of thinking she could never get pregnant. She was on Lovenox her entire pregnant and had a natural delivery in October. In fact, she was in labor and the thought she might need a C-Section, but she ended up delivering naturally. Two pushes and he was out! He'll be one in October!
  • @Lauren4508 hi there! I also have factor five Leiden heterozygous - I asked same questions when was pregnant with DS ; I didn't need lovenox during pregnancy since I didn't have history of an actual clot or loss but i needed it after delivery for 8 weeks. It does not affect breast feeding at all and should not prevent you from delivering naturally. It's great that there is a plan in place.  Giving yourself the shots wasn't so bad after doing it the first time and it's for a great reason so I know you will get the hang of it! I wish you all the luck in the world with your Ttc journey. 
    DH: 34 | Me: 35
    DS1 9/24/13
    DX Diminished Ovarian Reserve, Factor V Leiden Mutation, Secondary Infertility
    MFI (SA #1
    Count 11mill, Motility: 18%, Morphology: 1%)
    MFI (SA #2Count 7 mill, Motility: 18%, Morphology: 1%)
    AMH .328 
    | FSH 13.2 
    Oct. 2016: Clomid + TI
    IVF: ER 3/1/17; 5 retrieved, 3 mature & fertilized
    Results: 2 PGS normal embryos
    Planned on August 2017 transfer
    **TW**
    Natural BFP 4/3/17,Expecting baby boy via RCS 12/7/17

  • @Marley629 thanks so much for your response and encouragement! Learning more and more about this stuff everyday! :)
  • @NYTino24 thanks for the encouragement to myself and everyone else out there fighting for healthy and safe pregnancies! 

    @mrsdaddario thanks so much for your response! It's nice to hear that your friend was able to deliver naturally! That helps to take a load off my shoulders and give me more hope. 

    Thank you all for the words of encouragement and good luck to all you women out there fighting this fight! Love to you all!
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