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  • When it comes to most things. I like to get advice from my mom first and then find out what my husband thinks.

    Obviously it comes down to what my husband and I agree upon since we live together, but she has been there done that, and I like to get her thoughts.

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  • We took on debt in order to send Emma to preschool because it's that important. We'll easily repay that debt in the next year now that DH is finally earning a professional salary, and Emma would not easily gain the skills she has gotten over the past two years. The amount it would have put her behind starting elementary school without preschool would have cascaded for years. I do think it's irresponsible not to put your kid in school prior to K and will hurt your kid in the long run.
    Wow this is surprising. I thought most of the point if staying at home was to spend time with your child bonding and teaching them yourself. It seems highly odd to take on debt for preschool which I agree with another poster is totally unnecessary if parents are teaching their children basic skills. It won't hurt your child in the long run and I thing the more irresponsible thing is teAching your child it's ok to go into debt just because you want something. ( wants vs needs)
    Oh dear.... 

     It is necessary to her and it is entirely for her child's benefit.  

    Oh wait, they send their kids to preschool because they can't stand their kids and are lazy. Right?

    Look, I do not really care if you think preschool is necessary or not. It is just laughable that you think the kid is going to think taking on debt for early education is irresponsible. Not all debt is bad.
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  • MrsMuq said:
    I have really strong opinions about education and what is developmentally appropriate. DD is starting "preschool" at 18 months in the fall and we seriously toured more than a dozen places and I honestly wanted to tell them "Do you have any idea how developmentally inappropriate that is?!"

    We finally found one that I like. But it is still annoying. Why do preschool teachers not need an early childhood degree? Early childhood is when most of the brain develops, I'll be damned if I am going to shovel out an arm and a leg every month for someone with a random degree to pick activities off pinterest.

    And I feel bad for all the parents who get suckered into paying tuition at these self-proclaimed amazing preschools.
    All the teachers at the preschool DS will go to have degrees in Early Elem. Ed., and the majority are former Kindergarten teachers.

    And we'll be paying through the nose for it, but I'd rather have a teacher with a relevant degree be his teacher than some girl still getting her bachelors in education (like I saw at several other preschools in our area).
    I think too much emphasis is placed on the degree.  I have a degree in Early Childhood Education, I am smart enough to know that I should never teach Early Childhood.  There are also people without a degree in ECE who are phenomenal teachers.  The very best teacher I know has her certificate through Teach for America.  DS's preschool teacher has 20 years experience with several certifications.  Neither have a degree in ECE.  

    Obviously a degree is a starting point, but it is not necessarily make it or break it for determining quality.


     


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  • DC2London said:

    We don't carry debt.  No Amex, no mortgage, nothing.  Next year he will have to go to pre-k and we will find a way to make it work in our budget.  But I'm not throwing $500 a month on a credit card for 2 year old preschool.  

    I will also sit my arse on the bench and admit that I'm probably being defensive about this topic bc I'm in a shit position re: preschool right now.  The public schools think my kid has "enough" Autism that it makes a significant educational impact, but he's not severe enough that they'll let him be in their autism class.  So I have to find a preschool that will meet his needs, AND find a way to pay for it.
    ETA: Oh, and, on top of that, I also have to figure out how to pay for the therapies and specialists that he will need.  Because the US Healthcare industry is fucked and we have no coverage for this stuff.  None.  Nada.
    I just want to say I'm so sorry you're dealing with this @DC2London‌. :(

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  • DC2London said:
    We took on debt in order to send Emma to preschool because it's that important. We'll easily repay that debt in the next year now that DH is finally earning a professional salary, and Emma would not easily gain the skills she has gotten over the past two years. The amount it would have put her behind starting elementary school without preschool would have cascaded for years. I do think it's irresponsible not to put your kid in school prior to K and will hurt your kid in the long run.
    I would not have been comfortable going into debt for a 2 or 3 year old to go to preschool.  He will go next year, for a full year before he starts kindergarten, and I am 100% confident that that will be enough.  And I'm a kindergarten teacher.
    And no judgement from me here either.
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  • Really, when it comes to the preschool topic. Most people want to do right by their kids and their finances are really none of my business. 

    The "I love spending time with my kids and you are all just lazy" attitude though. That is when you come off as miserable.
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  • MrsMuq said:
    I have really strong opinions about education and what is developmentally appropriate. DD is starting "preschool" at 18 months in the fall and we seriously toured more than a dozen places and I honestly wanted to tell them "Do you have any idea how developmentally inappropriate that is?!"

    We finally found one that I like. But it is still annoying. Why do preschool teachers not need an early childhood degree? Early childhood is when most of the brain develops, I'll be damned if I am going to shovel out an arm and a leg every month for someone with a random degree to pick activities off pinterest.

    And I feel bad for all the parents who get suckered into paying tuition at these self-proclaimed amazing preschools.
    All the teachers at the preschool DS will go to have degrees in Early Elem. Ed., and the majority are former Kindergarten teachers.

    And we'll be paying through the nose for it, but I'd rather have a teacher with a relevant degree be his teacher than some girl still getting her bachelors in education (like I saw at several other preschools in our area).
    I think too much emphasis is placed on the degree.  I have a degree in Early Childhood Education, I am smart enough to know that I should never teach Early Childhood.  There are also people without a degree in ECE who are phenomenal teachers.  The very best teacher I know has her certificate through Teach for America.  DS's preschool teacher has 20 years experience with several certifications.  Neither have a degree in ECE.  

    Obviously a degree is a starting point, but it is not necessarily make it or break it for determining quality.


     

    Yeah, none of the schools I looked at had teachers with 20 years of experience. I'm sure you can be a great teacher without a degree but those people are few and far between IME. The people I know who got teaching certificates are the worst teachers I have ever met, from their classroom practices to their attitude to their philosophies. But that's something totally different since you don't need a degree or a certificate to teach preschool here.

    And just speaking from my own experience here, if I hadn't gone to college then I wouldn't be able to read peer reviewed studies and truly understand them. I don't know how people who don't go to college read them and understand them. I suppose it takes years of professional development to get to that point.
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  • @DC2London- I'm sorry you are in such a crappy situation.  I hope you guys are able to figure out something that works well for your family.  
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  • I don't get the obsession with looking young or dressing younger than your age. 
    I like getting older and looking older.  I think I am a better person (more even tempered, more considerate, more insightful) than when I was younger, and I think that other people respect me and my opinions more than they did when I was in my mid-twenties. 



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  • CnAmom said:
    I guess this is where I admit to putting furniture on a credit card. We did pay it off while the card had 0% interest.
    Same.  :)
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  • I just don't see that as credit card debt if there is 0% interest. I might be in the minority though.

    But if you are charging and then can't pay it off, That is debt

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  • MrsMuq said:
    I have really strong opinions about education and what is developmentally appropriate. DD is starting "preschool" at 18 months in the fall and we seriously toured more than a dozen places and I honestly wanted to tell them "Do you have any idea how developmentally inappropriate that is?!"

    We finally found one that I like. But it is still annoying. Why do preschool teachers not need an early childhood degree? Early childhood is when most of the brain develops, I'll be damned if I am going to shovel out an arm and a leg every month for someone with a random degree to pick activities off pinterest.

    And I feel bad for all the parents who get suckered into paying tuition at these self-proclaimed amazing preschools.
    All the teachers at the preschool DS will go to have degrees in Early Elem. Ed., and the majority are former Kindergarten teachers.

    And we'll be paying through the nose for it, but I'd rather have a teacher with a relevant degree be his teacher than some girl still getting her bachelors in education (like I saw at several other preschools in our area).
    I think too much emphasis is placed on the degree.  I have a degree in Early Childhood Education, I am smart enough to know that I should never teach Early Childhood.  There are also people without a degree in ECE who are phenomenal teachers.  The very best teacher I know has her certificate through Teach for America.  DS's preschool teacher has 20 years experience with several certifications.  Neither have a degree in ECE.  

    Obviously a degree is a starting point, but it is not necessarily make it or break it for determining quality.


     

    Yeah, none of the schools I looked at had teachers with 20 years of experience. I'm sure you can be a great teacher without a degree but those people are few and far between IME. The people I know who got teaching certificates are the worst teachers I have ever met, from their classroom practices to their attitude to their philosophies. But that's something totally different since you don't need a degree or a certificate to teach preschool here.

    And just speaking from my own experience here, if I hadn't gone to college then I wouldn't be able to read peer reviewed studies and truly understand them. I don't know how people who don't go to college read them and understand them. I suppose it takes years of professional development to get to that point.
    I am not at all discounting your experience.  You are right, the good ones are few and far between.  However, I also know too many people with teaching degrees who read those same studies and are horrendous teachers.  When research meets real life, it often does not jibe. Education is not so much about research as it is practice which is why I often think experience trumps degree.


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    I am not at all discounting your experience.  You are right, the good ones are few and far between.  However, I also know too many people with teaching degrees who read those same studies and are horrendous teachers.  When research meets real life, it often does not jibe. Education is not so much about research as it is practice which is why I often think experience trumps degree.

    You really need to know the research and have experience. If you aren't familiar with developmentally appropriate practices then your first years teaching will be very rocky at best. But I agree that obviously more experience makes you a better teacher.

    I know this girl personally (not professionally) who is brilliant. Easily one of the smartest people I've ever met. She got a teaching certificate after undergrad and she is easily the worst teacher I've come across. She quoted from her student's paper on her facebook status to make fun of what poor writers 7th graders are. She's constantly blasting all of the logical fallacies they make during class... Like wtf, if your students don't understand something it's your fault for being a shit teacher, maybe stop mocking them and work on it.

    So I admit that experience has soured my taste for teaching certificates. Even if it is a sweeping generalization, we all let our personal experiences guide our preferences. I know there are great teachers without degrees, that particular experience just comes to mind for me.
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  • Kimbus22 said:


    CnAmom said:

    I guess this is where I admit to putting furniture on a credit card. We did pay it off while the card had 0% interest.

    We do all big purchases like that.  Furniture, riding lawn mower, snowblower etc.  We could take cash to pay but why deplete the emergency fund when you can get interest free payments?

    Agreed. We did our upstairs carpet that way. Paid it off and done. Also, when I was a poor, single caseworker…I bought beautiful bedroom Y at Macy's. It was my first "grown up" purchase. I paid it off in a year…no penalty. We still use it here!

    Yup we do this for all big stuff too. Why not? One of the perks of good credit and it will only make it better.
  • DC2London said:
    We don't carry debt.  No Amex, no mortgage, nothing.  Next year he will have to go to pre-k and we will find a way to make it work in our budget.  But I'm not throwing $500 a month on a credit card for 2 year old preschool.  
    I will also sit my arse on the bench and admit that I'm probably being defensive about this topic bc I'm in a shit position re: preschool right now.  The public schools think my kid has "enough" Autism that it makes a significant educational impact, but he's not severe enough that they'll let him be in their autism class.  So I have to find a preschool that will meet his needs, AND find a way to pay for it.
    ETA: Oh, and, on top of that, I also have to figure out how to pay for the therapies and specialists that he will need.  Because the US Healthcare industry is fucked and we have no coverage for this stuff.  None.  Nada.
    I'm so sorry for what you're going through. I don't understand how our country still doesn't have universal preschool given the mounting evidence showing how important it is. I'll also say that neither year has been anywhere near $500/month or I would have reconsidered. And most of it was paid cash, but part of the year each year was financed, not all of it and not nearly $500/month.
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  • Preschool is on hold for Reese next year. In the plan that I wanted to do, she would go to preschool when 3 and pre-k when 4. Her doctor won't approve preschool for next year due to her immunity issues; and of course you have to register in the spring for the fall. And she has had SO many immunity issues that we couldn't risk it. She did get cleared to go back to her in home babysitter---who has 2 kids plus her, so she is interacting and learning, but it isn't the same. I REALLY hope that she would be able to go to pre-k. I definitely would not want her in kindergarten without any formal preschool. 
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  • CnAmom said:

    I guess this is where I admit to putting furniture on a credit card. We did pay it off while the card had 0% interest.

    Why WOULDN'T you do this?! We bought all new furniture when we bought our house - dining room, front room and our bedroom. We bought it all from the same store, over $8000. We applied for a store credit card, it had 0% interest for 3 years. Can't beat that!!
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