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Has anyone ever questioned how much they want children while on the IF journey?

**losses mentioned**

Need someone to talk to about this, which means you ladies! (Little scared about posting this, since I'm new here, but y'all seem like an understanding group) I doubt I'm alone here, so I wanted to ask others if they've had these feelings. Since my first m/c I've been actively avoiding children and pregnant women, and I'm wondering if I've been too successful at hardening my heart. Recently I've started to wonder if I really want children badly enough to make all this torture worth it. Sometimes I worry that I'm more focused on succeeding in my goal rather than actually having a baby, especially when I consider how much our lives would change if all this actually worked. This second loss has me wondering if there's a reason (in the cosmic sense) that all this isn't working for us, and that maybe we're not meant to be parents. My OH, on the other hand, has never wavered in his desire for children, and would be an amazing dad.

Has anyone else ever felt like this on this crappy IF journey?
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***Losses mentioned.*** TTC #1 since May 2012. Me: 37, OH: 41. Ectopic August 2012 => tubal damage. :'(  Stage 1 endo removed June 2013. IVF #1 Oct/Nov 2013: Long Lupron with Gonal-F. 7R, 7M, 7F. 2 txfer@3d. Nothing frozen.  => M/C @ 8 wks. :'( Selected RPL panel all normal. Very hyper and brittle response to stims. IVF #2 (antagonist protocol) Feb 2014 => Converted to IUI (Perfect conditions). BFN. IVF #2.1 w/ new RE June 2014: Antagonist protocol. 33R, 31M, 30F, 19 blasts to test!!! I made it through without crashing!! :) Hats off to Dr. Fancypants!! ET of one 5AB blast. BFN. 13 10 CCS'ed snowflakes! FET #1 PUPO as of 7/29 Betas: 8/7@24, 8/9@97, 8/11@334 (etc.) Two sacs on 8/15, one seen on 8/18 after a bleed. U/s 8/25 (6+3) "perfect": 5.9 mm + HB@120bpm! U/s 9/4 (7+6): 15.9 mm + HB@172 bpm! Please, PLEASE stick this time!!!!
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Re: Has anyone ever questioned how much they want children while on the IF journey?

  • I hear you on this one.  My husband and I were just talking about this very thing after spending New Years confined in a house with two other couples and their young children for two days (not exactly the most pleasurable experience at times).  I think it's natural to have these thoughts, given that those of us in the IF community are constantly having to ask ourselves what we will go through to have a baby, and must think about when and where we will draw the line if it doesn't happen.  I think that most "normal" people do not have to think so hard about having a baby.  They decide to do it and just do it, and that's the end of it.  Sometimes it makes me feel exhausted thinking about the lengths I'll have to go to to (maybe) have a baby, and then once we (maybe) have the baby, that is the happy ending to our IF journey, but then there is the incredibly hard work of raising a child.  It's also hard to walk that line of committing to having a child, and also trying to mentally prepare yourself if it doesn't work out.  So no, you're not alone in this one. :) That doesn't make it any easier though!
    Me 32/DH 36
    Diagnosed w/ endometriosis 6/12
    TTC since 8/12
    HSG/MRI in 2/13 showed unicornuate uterus
    Depot Lupron 3/13-7/13
    IVF#1 8/13; 3 embryos frozen
    FET #1 10/13 BFN
    Moving on to GC w/ transfer hopefully Summer '14
    IVF #2 3/14


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  • I think sometimes it's easy to lose track of the end goal when you get wrapped up in the details of treatment.  Sometimes I wonder how I will feel if/when we are successful.  So much of my life the last year + has revolved around infertility testing and treatment.  What will it be like when not to have that in my life?  It's hard for me to imagine.  Even now, it's hard for me to imagine IVF #3 working.  In the back of my mind I am making plans for our next step.

    I rarely let myself think about what life would be like without children, because my desire for children has never really wavered. But I've never viewed IVF as torture either.  For me cycling has always given me a sense of moving forward/working toward a goal.

    I think my husband has probably thought more along your lines.  He doesn't like seeing me upset, so he questions whether or not we should move forward after a failed cycle, whether or not we can handle any more.  He's the one that has questioned if infertility is a sign that we shouldn't be parents.  I don't see a infertility as a sign, just bad luck in the genetic lottery.

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    DH (32): SA is ok, slightly low morph, normal SCSA  Me (32): Slightly low progesterone, hostile CM, carrier for CF, Moderately high NKC, High TNFa, heterozyogous mutated Factor XIII, and +APA

    October 2012-May 2014: 4 failed IUIs, 3 failed IVFs, and 1 failed FETw/donor embryos

    November 2014: IVF w/ICSI #4 Agonist/Antagonist with EPP and Prednisone, Baby Aspirin, Lovenox, and IVIG for immune issues.  Converted to freeze all due to lining issues.  2 blasts frozen on day 6!

    January 2015: FET #2 Cancelled due to lining issues

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  • I'm sorry for your losses.  I've felt the same, other it's not do I really want children, it's do I really want biological children.  I've been doing a lot of waiting in 2013 with only one FET attempt (other than two cancellations and a freeze all) and I'm just beginning to wonder if it's worth it.  I know I definitely want children but haven't been able to totally jump on the adoption bus (DH wants to b/c he hates seeing what these drugs do to me).  Also, having to pay OOP for everything also makes me want to quit and buy that new house and car that we want.  I hate having to delay other dreams to get this one.  You are definitely not alone on questioning what you really want with your life.  Good luck.

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    TTC since 9/2011. DH - 32, me 32.

    IUI#1 (natural): BFN; IUI#2 (clomid): BFN; IUI#3 (clomid and follistim): BFN.

    IVF #1 March 2013, freeze all (OHSS).

    FET#1 June: BFN

    FET#2 August: delayed due to thin lining (6.3).  Took a few months off to try and thicken the lining with lots of estrodial.  FET#2.2 December: Cancelled due to thin lining (4.8). Two frosties left.

    *New RE* Sonohystrogram and hystereoscopy done in Feb.

    IVF #2: ER 3/4/14  ET 3/7/14, transferred 3, 3 day 9 cell perfect embryos.  No frosties.

    Beta #1 (14dp3dt) 504

    Beta #2 (21dp3dt) 11,561

    First ultrasound on 4/3/14 showed 3 sacs: one empty and two with beating hearts!!  At 7w2d, found out that one baby did not have a heartbeat anymore.  Praying that baby B makes it.  Baby B is a girl!

    EDD 11/25/14 BORN 11/29/14

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  • Your comment about being more focused on succeeding in the goal rather than having the baby TOTALLY hit home for me. I have commented to DH before that I am not sure I will know when to throw in the towel because I will be so concerned with failing.  Obviously my desire to have a baby is what brought me into this crazy process....but I feel like I have become somewhat robotic....and that is where I lose focus.  I also do think about "what is meant to be" and every time I hit a bump I would think about whether or not that was sign to stop....but then I would just convince myself that it is just the world testing my dedication....and I would keep pushing on.  I am not sure how many tests I am supposed to push through before saying no more.  That is the constant question in my head....how far to go???  When to start living the other parts of my life again???  Not sure any of this rambling actually has a point other than you are most certainly not alone.  The things that go through my head from day to day are fascinating even to me. 
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    Me: 36, unexplained 
    Him: 36, slightly low count 
    TTC since May 2011 
    IUI #1 w/Clomid - 10/2012 BFN 
    Break for cysts 
    IUI #2 w/Clomid - 12/2012 BFN 
    Break for cysts 
    IUI #3 w/Clomid - 2/2013 BFN 
    Break for sanity and to work on health with diet, exercise, and acupuncture 
    IVF/ICSI #1 - BCP, 150 Follistim, 150 Menopur, and Ganirelix
    Retrieval 9/11/2013 - 31 eggs, 17 fertilized, 3 blasts frozen 
    Transfer cancelled - Moderate OHSS 
    FET #1 - 10/22/2013 Transferred 2 (1 did not survive thaw) BFP resulted in CP 
    IVF/ICSI #2 - EPP - Starting stims 1/5/2014 (100 Follistim, 150 Menopur)
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  • YES!!!  Sometimes I have to step back and say, is this really what I want?  I feel like we've been on this journey for so long, that I forgot what we're working towards.  Thanks for posting this, it makes me feel a little less crazy for feeling like this sometimes.

    IVF #1 Oct 2013- cancelled 
    IVF #2 Mar 2014- success.... baby girl born 11/28/14
    FET #1 Mar 2016- baby boy due 12/16/16


  •  OP, I'm very sorry for your losses.

     All of these comments have hit home for me. I'm relieved to see that I'm not alone - though I'm bummed others are feeling this way too. I feel like DH and I were very naive when we first started treatment, and not mentally prepared at all for repeat failures. We have good days and bad days, but overall we're starting to get that "why are we living our lives this way?" feeling. Sending hugs to all of you <3


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  • Yes!  Debating about this now.  I would love to have a child.  But then I listen to my friends talking about having to get up in the middle of the night because the kids are crying and I think about how nice it is to sleep through the night.  There is nothing in this world I want more than having a child but at what cost.  We have already put thousands of dollars into IF this IVF will be our last.
    TTC 2007
    Me-OK DH- MFI
    2010 IUI 1-3 Femara + Ovidrill BFN
    Change DR 5/12 IUI 4-5 Natural Cycle BFN
    5/13 DH diagnosed with b1/b3 microdeletion of Y chromosome
    IVF #1 July  Started Lupron 7/5 AF 7/14
    ER 8/1 7R 5M 3F W/ICSI ET 8/6 Moved to 8/7 due to no blast 
    Transferred our UNO embryo Beta #1 27 Beta #2 33 Beta #3 29 CP :(
    IVF #2 Started Lupron 2/14 
    Protocol 10U Lupron, 150 Bravelle, 150 Menopur, HGH for 4 days, Dexamethesone, 
    Supplements 6000mg CoQ10, 100mg DHEA, Vitamin D, Folic Acid, 
    ER 3/12 8R 4 able to be injected 2f with ICSI ET 3/15 2 "perfect" textbook Embryos
    2 crinone, estrace, dexamethesone, doxycycline
    BETA #1 3/26 201  BETA #2 3/28 524  BETA #3 4/5 9,876  Ultrasound April 7 Showed TWINs
    April 18 ultrasound Baby A HB 147   Baby B HB 146  Both measuring 7w1d
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    Jonathan Daniel received his angel wings July 23, 2014 :( born 9/20/14
    Jackson Thomas was born October 31, 2014 @ 35w 5d
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  • I have felt this way as well. I have questioned how far I would go for a bio baby. I am only in the beginning of IF treatments but have been in this IF rollercoaster for 2 years now. I have told DH that I want to be a mother, having our own biological child would be amazing even more than that I have no words to describe what it would be, but if and when we decide to go for IVF once again it doesn't happen I will strongly pursue adoption. Like I said before I want to be a mother, I don't necessarily need to be pregnant to become one.
    *Losses mentioned*
    Me: 34 DH:32
    TTC #1 since Dec 2011
    HSG = tubes clear, bicornuate or septate ute; MRI= severe arcuate uterus no septum seen 
    SA #1 low count, low morph;  SA#2 4% Morph, count OK  SA#3 july 2014= NORMAL!!!
    9/2013  IUI#1 w/Clomid 100mg = over response; cycle converted to cryoocyte IVF
    IVF #1: 9/15 ER= 9 mature eggs, all eggs made it thru vitrification
    10/23 ICSI 6 fertilized; 10/28 5dt of two morulas. Hold on to me babies, stick, stick, stick!!
    11/6 BFP EDD 7/14/14 Beta #1= 18; 11/9 Beta #2= 44.8; 11/12 Beta #3= 7 = Early loss @4w6d. No frosties
    Feb 2014 Hysterscopy = no septum seen ute all clear in the inside
     IUI #1.1 4/2/14 Beta on 4/16 BFN
    Thinking about IUI #2  RE advised to try 3?????
    Natural cycle surprise BFP 8/3/14 EDD 4/11/15  beta#1(8/5/14)=35 Beta#2(8/8/14)=22  CP/Early loss@5w
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  • I was just saying to my friend at lunch today how I wonder 'what if God doesn't want me to get pregnant?' and 'what if it's not meant for me to get pregnant at all?' and 'what if I can have children but just not with my husband?' and 'what if my husband can get someone else pregnant but not me?' so yes - your thoughts are normal.
    Me: 32, DH: 34.
    Trying since Jan 2011. Unexplained IF.
    2 IUIs = BFN.
    1 IVF (Dec 2013) = BFN.
    FET, 2 frosties (June 13, 2014)

    14dp5dt-June 27 -BFP, beta 2061. 2nd beta >5000, 3rd beta >5000, 2 sacs 06/30.
    Twin Girls - 02/11/15 - at 37 weeks (no NICU, home with me at 3 days).
  • Yeah, I do. We are 39 years old, we know its going to be hard. I think we get so bogged down in the details and the always waiting on the next thing that the end goal is hard to see. It always seems like a moving target, one more thing, one more thing, one more thing. The finish line movies. We are getting ready to start our second cycle and I was reflecting today as going to the doctor that the emotional and mental burden of this stuff gets so heavy its hard to be optimistic.  
    Me 39, DH 40
    Male Factor (severe oligospermia) 
    IVF#1-December 2013: Conversion Protocol @ SIRM, Canceled on day 10 of stims due to poor response
    IVF#2- February 2014:  Estrogen Priming Conversion Protocol @ SIRM (ER 2/22: (9R, 7M, 4F, All arrested, nothing to trasnfer)
    IUI#1-May 28, 2014- 100mg clomid, HCG Trigger, 100mg progesterone oral--BFN
    IUI#2-June 24, 2014- non medicated, HCG 2,500mg x 4 doses (over a week), Endometrium- BFN
    Suprise BFP- September 1, 2014- miscarriage at 5 weeks. 

  • Going through this loss I can say two thing: when I was pg I was thinking of more than just getting pg and the baby stage. I had thoughts of first birthdays and trick or treating, of kindergarten and first dates. Maybe because allmy nephews are now 6-14 that I was llooking at all they're doing and how I'd get to live that. So no, I have a lot more than just the result of getting pg.

    However we have not yet decided if we will do another IVF or live CFNBC because it will be all oop and we had previously said we'd only do the one IVF. But now we're leaning to one more try.

    But I've tried to spend this week thinking of life CF and how we could still have a wonderful life. So in that reapect we've started at least coming to terms with it. It's not what you asked but in a round about way I feel accepting CF is a similar thought. Hope that makes sense.

    TTC since July 2009. Dx MFI & LPD. 
    IUI#1&2&3 (2011 & 2012) BFN
    IUI#4 1/23/13 on 75iu x9 Follistim = BFP then chem preg m/c (Feb 2013)
    IUI#5 BFN (April 2013)
    IVF w/ICSI Oct. 2, 2012 - 13R, 11M, 7F, 1 frozen blast 4BB grade - - - FET Nov 15, 2013
    BFP! Beta 1:104 @ 10dp6dt, Beta 2:178 @ 12dp6dt,  beta 3:366 @ 14dp6dt
    Saw heartbeat twice before missed M/C at 8w3d on 12/27/13, missing my little angel boy
    JUNE 2014 IVF#2;  5R, 2M, 1F Three day transfer 6/7.  Beta 6/18 - BFN
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  • I probably can't count how many times I've questioned whether or not G-d wants me to have a baby. Some days, I feel guilty for doing IVF and not looking more seriously into adoption. Other days, I feel guilty that I can't provide my DH with FREE biological children like the rest of the women in the world can (we're 100% OOP), and other times I wonder how our life would be if we never had kids. The perks of not having children are really evident when going through this process - we'll have more money, can take great vacations, can have nice cars, and all that good stuff. BUT, at the end of the day, I want the birthday parties, family vacations, snuggles, and all of the other wonderful things that come along with having a family. I know in my heart that we WILL have a baby and this will all be worth it.
    Me (31) - PCOS with insulin resistance

    4 rounds of Clomid = no response
    IVF # 1 - ET (1 3AA, 4 frosties): 12/22 = BFP
    EDD: 9/9/2014

  • Thanks to all ladies who have replied so far. It makes me feel a lot better to know I'm not the only one who loses sight of the goal from time to time. I know we're going to do another IVF, but after that I'm not sure I can take this anymore. I can barely remember what it feels like to not have my life dominated by this, but I do know I used to be more fun, happier, and more productive at work.
    walker14 said:
    I think that most "normal" people do not have to think so hard about having a baby.  They decide to do it and just do it, and that's the end of it.  ...  It's also hard to walk that line of committing to having a child, and also trying to mentally prepare yourself if it doesn't work out. 
    THIS!!! Exactly! I was totally into kids when we first started, but in order to manage the emotional difficulty of IF and the losses I really had to distance myself. I feel like I fell off that tightrope at some point. It really feels like the rest of my life is on hold as we go through all these cycles, and the CF life starts to look better and better.


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    ***Losses mentioned.*** TTC #1 since May 2012. Me: 37, OH: 41. Ectopic August 2012 => tubal damage. :'(  Stage 1 endo removed June 2013. IVF #1 Oct/Nov 2013: Long Lupron with Gonal-F. 7R, 7M, 7F. 2 txfer@3d. Nothing frozen.  => M/C @ 8 wks. :'( Selected RPL panel all normal. Very hyper and brittle response to stims. IVF #2 (antagonist protocol) Feb 2014 => Converted to IUI (Perfect conditions). BFN. IVF #2.1 w/ new RE June 2014: Antagonist protocol. 33R, 31M, 30F, 19 blasts to test!!! I made it through without crashing!! :) Hats off to Dr. Fancypants!! ET of one 5AB blast. BFN. 13 10 CCS'ed snowflakes! FET #1 PUPO as of 7/29 Betas: 8/7@24, 8/9@97, 8/11@334 (etc.) Two sacs on 8/15, one seen on 8/18 after a bleed. U/s 8/25 (6+3) "perfect": 5.9 mm + HB@120bpm! U/s 9/4 (7+6): 15.9 mm + HB@172 bpm! Please, PLEASE stick this time!!!!
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  • ::raises hand high::

    It's getting really bad with me. I am to the point where I have pretty much convinced that I do not want kids and am just waiting for IVF to be over, so that I can resume my life. I realise that sounds horrible, but I am just so tired of TTC and don't believe in it anymore. DH just thinks that I am trying to protect myself from the heartbreak. I am not sure.

    Me: 28, DH: 35
    DX: Severe MFI, AZFc Microdeletion
    TTC since August 2011
    IVF w/ ICSI 1: Dec. 2013 - BFN
    FET 1.2: Mar. 2014 - BFN
    FET 1.3: May 2014 - BFN
    FET 1.4: June 2014 - BFP
    Two little buns in the oven. 
    Bake until March 2015, little ones. 


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     Life will be more burdensome for me. 
    Life will be richer for me." 
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  • Its helpful to be to read all the responses. Thanks for posting.

    So much of my journey has been waiting. I started with an RE 4/11 and still have not cycles yet. You ladies are so strong and how you keep going is truly amazing. Not sure I could do it.

    Lately my age is really bothering me. I will be 46 in May and if this works will have a baby close to 47. I'm torn. I want to give this dream up but I know I will regret not trying. This will be our only cycle. Like @Katibb77 I look into the future with first day of school, watching playing a sport , and school dances. I've watched 2 kids since they were 4 weeks old and I'm still there after 19 years. Whatching them grow up is what I want to do with my child. I tell myself it will be hard but you can live a good happy life being CFNBC. Well I'm trying to convince myself that :)

    Wishing you all the best on your next cycle. All of you. {{HUGS}}

    ME:46 MH:44 DE IVF 2014
    Met with RE 4/11. 2 IUI's BFN. DE best option. Switched clinics to do "shared" program. Had to retake all tests and a mamm that put me behind and then on a DE waiting list for 12 months. Picked a donor!! (10/13/13) Got matched. Estimated transfer in December. After 2.5 years of patiently waiting I will finally cycle....can hardly believe it. DE cycle got cancelled. One of her tests came back positive.  Waiting for another donor. Donor picked!! (1/18/14)

    DE IVF #1 (4/26) BFN  DE FET #1 (6/4) BFP! Beta 1=339 Beta 2=852 Beta 3=9957 EDD 2/22/15!!


     

     

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  • Yes, most of the time I feel like I'm fighting a battle against the IF monster, and completely lose sight of why we are doing this. I think it is a defense mechanism... It's just too hard to admit that there could be no baby at the end of this. Every now and then, when I feel a glimmer of hope, I can envision my life with children. It is hardly ever a vision of an infant, more often it is a vision of them a bit more grown up. I don't know what that means, but I guess I'm thinking more long term. Also, I feel like I can't see myself actually pregnant anymore. This news, if it ever comes, will be genuinely shocking to me. Which makes me sad.
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    Me: 32 DH: 35  TTC#1 since March 2012
    Dx: Poor Embryo Quality, Arcuate Uterus, Poor Uterine Blood Flow, Mild Endo, 
           Protein S Deficiency, Sjorgen's Syndrome 

    IUI #1-5: BFN
    Laparoscopy & Hysteroscopy: minimal endo, partial septoplasty
    IVF #1: 10R/6M/6F ~ Day 3 ET = BFN
    IVF #2: 14R/9M/5F ~ transfer canceled ~ all embryos arrested at 1-2 cell stage
    IVF #3: 9R/5M/5F ~ 1 frosty!
    IVF #4 (FET #1): BFN

    IVF #5 (DE IVF #1 with Dr. KK protocol): Currently PREGNANT!!!!!!
    Synthroid + Prednisone + Metformin + Baby Aspirin + Supplements Galore = 15+ pills a day
    Lupron + Lovenox + Delestrogen + IVIG + B/W = 2-5 pokes a day
    19R, 17M, 17F - transferred two Grade A blasts 11/16, four frosties!!!
    Beta #1 11/24 (13dpo/8dp5dt) = 367 ~ Beta #2 11/26 (15dpo/10dp5dt) = 709
    Beta #3 11/29 (18dpo/13dp5dt) = 1,997 ~ Beta #4 12/1 (20dpo/15dp5dt) = 3,403

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  • I questioned this all the time throughout this whole IF journey because the pain would just get so unbearable and a person can only deal with so much heartache...you are only human.
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    Me 28 DH 30

    After 4+ years TTC

    FET #2 = DS Madden Jeffery <3 July 29, 2014 <3
  • Yes, all the time!

    After years of disappointment after disappointment, I started to wonder when enough was enough...  As the diagnosis kept getting worse our hope would dwindle and we got to a point (several times) when we discussed it... how badly do we really want this?  Is it worth the aggravation?  treatments? money?

    With each failed attempt,  surgeries (i had 2, he had 1) and then unsuccessful donor conceptions.... we really questioned ourselves.

    But then our son arrived 8 years into our IF journey, and it made the entire journey worth it.

    So don't give up.  In the end, you'll be happy you went through it because it has made you a better person and you'll love your children that much more.   There isn't one day that goes by that I don't thank God for my children. 

    Me: 36 (Endo) DH: 39 (Azoo)
    5 DIUI - BFN
    IVF#1 - BFP - AJ 7/12
    FET#1 - BFP Due 7/24/14
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