I'm an over-responder, meaning that when given small amounts of injectable drugs I produce dozens of follies. Unfortunately, I'm also "brittle," which means that I usually crash before the follies get big enough for whatever procedure I'm supposed to do. I've had cancelled cycles because of this, and IVF #1 (long lupron proptocol) was nearly cancelled too. My doctor has recommended that I try the antagonist cycle next. I'm confused by this, because everything I've read suggests that these are used for poor responders, which I definitely am not. Does anyone understand why my RE would suggest this?
***Losses mentioned.*** TTC #1 since May 2012. Me: 37, OH: 41. Ectopic August 2012 => tubal damage. Stage 1 endo removed June 2013. IVF #1 Oct/Nov 2013: Long Lupron with Gonal-F. 7R, 7M, 7F. 2 txfer@3d. Nothing frozen. => M/C @ 8 wks. Selected RPL panel all normal. Very hyper and brittle response to stims. IVF #2 (antagonist protocol) Feb 2014 => Converted to IUI (Perfect conditions). BFN. IVF #2.1 w/ new RE June 2014: Antagonist protocol. 33R, 31M, 30F, 19 blasts to test!!! I made it through without crashing!! Hats off to Dr. Fancypants!! ET of one 5AB blast. BFN. 13 10 CCS'ed snowflakes! FET #1 PUPO as of 7/29 Betas: 8/7@24, 8/9@97, 8/11@334 (etc.) Two sacs on 8/15, one seen on 8/18 after a bleed. U/s 8/25 (6+3) "perfect": 5.9 mm + HB@120bpm! U/s 9/4 (7+6): 15.9 mm + HB@172 bpm! Please, PLEASE stick this time!!!!
It's also used for better egg quality. That's probably what your RE is going for. Good luck!
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Me (34): DOR d/t chemo/radiation, Immature Endometrial Lining, Hypothyroidism
DH (35): MFI d/t testicular torsion and removal, Low T, Oligospermia, Anti-Sperm Antibodies, Currently on T supplements Sept '11-April '13 ~ Testing, failed multiple MFI treatments, saving & TONS of praying January 2014 ~ IVF/ICSI & PGS ~ no response to stims ~ converted to IUI ~ BFN February 2014 ~ On to donor embyros ~ 5 blasts!!! March 2014 ~ FET #1 ~ Transferred 2 blasts ~ BFN July 2014 ~ Kliman's mock cycle with endometrial function test Sample too small for EFT, HE slide showed immature cells New protocol planned, saving for another biopsy for EFT January 2015 ~ Considering adoption options April 2015 ~ Privately arranged adoption of planned pregnancy DD#1 ~ Lillyana Violet Marie born 6/15/16, Finalized adoption 12/20/16 July 13, 2018 ~ BFP....WTF?!?! 7/16 Beta #1 ~ 466...7/18 Beta #2 ~ 1,077...7/23 Beta #3 ~ 5,291 7/23 US #1 ~ 1 gestational sac seen and yolk sac 7/30 US #2 and 1st OB appt ~ 1 perfectly round gestational sac, 1 perfect yolk sac and 1 teeny tiny heart beat seen!!!
I did an antagonist cycle and I think my doctor expected me to be an over-responder. I think it's so you can stay on a low dose for an extended period of time (low and slow, as my RE says) and not worry about your body trying to ovulate or move too fast. I stimmed for 15 days on an antagonist cycle, but they kept my meds low and a strict eye on my estrogen so they would not get an over-response. Also, when you do this, you can use a Lupron trigger (obvi you can't trigger with Lupron if you're using it) and the Lupron practically eliminates the risk of OHSS, although you need to supplement with a lot of luteal phase support.
My RE had me on an antagonist protocol with my first round of IVF given my over response to clomid (3-4 follies on 25 mg). He did mention the benefit of possibly being able to use a Lupron trigger. I believe he also said it was one of their standard first IVF protocols at my clinic with no other known issues like DOR or AMA. Good luck!
I did an antagonist protocol with Lupron trigger. I ended up with 21 to freeze and am currently waiting for my FET. I did a freeze all due to the high response. All the best!
~~~~~Siggy Warning~~~~~~
Me: 29, PCOS, No Ovulation, Metformin, Synthroid
DH: 32, Low Morph (1-2%)
Summer 2012: Stopped BCP, cycle never returned
Jan - March 2013: Clomid cycles, no response (aside from mood swings!)
March - May 2013: Pursued international adoption, on hold due to uncertainty and rule changes in country
July 2013: Gonal F + Ovidrel + IUI #1 = Poor Response + Poor Counts =BFN
Aug/Sept 2013:BCP to clear big cysts. IUI #2 same meds, better counts, another slow poor response. Cycle should have been cancelled.BFN.
Oct 2013: Same meds, IUI #3 cancelled due to 5 follicles...Seriously?!
Nov/Dec 2013: IVF w/ ICSI
ER on 12/5: 46R, 42M, 37F, 21 blasts, 15 normal after CCS/PGD results, FET on 1/24, transferred two hatching embryos!Super Bowl beta 2/2 - 459! 2/4 - 1465!!
Re: Antagonist IVF cycles?
Sept '11-April '13 ~ Testing, failed multiple MFI treatments, saving & TONS of praying
January 2014 ~ IVF/ICSI & PGS ~ no response to stims ~ converted to IUI ~ BFN
February 2014 ~ On to donor embyros ~ 5 blasts!!!
March 2014 ~ FET #1 ~ Transferred 2 blasts ~ BFN
July 2014 ~ Kliman's mock cycle with endometrial function test
Sample too small for EFT, HE slide showed immature cells
New protocol planned, saving for another biopsy for EFT
January 2015 ~ Considering adoption options
April 2015 ~ Privately arranged adoption of planned pregnancy
DD#1 ~ Lillyana Violet Marie born 6/15/16, Finalized adoption 12/20/16
July 13, 2018 ~ BFP....WTF?!?!
7/16 Beta #1 ~ 466...7/18 Beta #2 ~ 1,077...7/23 Beta #3 ~ 5,291
7/23 US #1 ~ 1 gestational sac seen and yolk sac
7/30 US #2 and 1st OB appt ~ 1 perfectly round gestational sac, 1 perfect yolk sac and 1 teeny tiny heart beat seen!!!