The Hannah Anderson kidnapping

Smootchy

https://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/21/20117268-dna-request-latest-twist-in-hannah-anderson-abduction-saga?lite 

I haven't followed this too closely, so I'm not totally sure what happened but now they think maybe the guy was related to her/maybe her dad?!

He left his life insurance policy to her and her brother but he killed her brother, right? Just makes me wonder how many more layer to this story there are. 

CinemaGoddess

$10 says his family is trying to find an angle aside from "He was grooming her as a sexual partner".  

RondackHiker

CinemaGoddess said:

$10 says his family is trying to find an angle aside from "He was grooming her as a sexual partner".  

If he's her dad, it'd make his crack about wanting to date her even creepier.

I think they'd want to avoid that.

CinemaGoddess

I also get the feeling his family is trying to paint the mom as a slut who sluts and, as such, deserved to die.  

Smootchy

sorta weird though that he'd have her and her brother listed on his life insurance... 

Maybe her (even if he's a weirdo/wanted her for sexual partner) but why her brother?

RondackHiker

CinemaGoddess said:

I also get the feeling his family is trying to paint the mom as a slut who sluts and, as such, deserved to die.  

Does the sluttiness infect the son, too, and so make him deserve to die?

/sarcasm font

LuckyDad

chapski said:

sorta weird though that he'd have her and her brother listed on his life insurance... 

Maybe her (even if he's a weirdo/wanted her for sexual partner) but why her brother?

Clearly logic and reason we're not strengths of his.

myskyegirl

I think it's gong to the come out that the daughter had something to do with her mother and brother's death.  

CinemaGoddess

prncebride said:

I think it's gong to the come out that the daughter had something to do with her mother and brother's death.  

My experience from watching Law & Order for 20 years tells me there is truth in this statement.  

Smootchy

prncebride said:

I think it's gong to the come out that the daughter had something to do with her mother and brother's death.  

oh no. 

this gave me the goosebumps. 

Disneygeek77

I read that they also found many letters from her in his home and on the day it happened there were 13 phone calls between them.  In addition, her family let her go on trips alone with him.  It is all so weird.   

Smootchy

whoa. 

so the story I thought: Young girl kidnapped by crazy man who was obsessed with her and killed her mother & brother.... 

Turns out to be: Young girls plans murder of mother and brother and runs away with crazy man

whoa.  

myskyegirl

CinemaGoddess said:

prncebride said:

I think it's gong to the come out that the daughter had something to do with her mother and brother's death.  

My experience from watching Law & Order for 20 years tells me there is truth in this statement.  

This will probably get me flamed, but here it goes..  Hannah's admitted that the guy said that he had feelings for her, and I think she "took advantage" of this and promised to run away with him if he did something about her family.  She either had not intention of running away with him and he took her forcefully or she went willingly knowing that it could either 1. end in his death or 2. if he were captured she'd still come out as the victim because she's a "young girl."

Libby1978

prncebride said:

I think it's gong to the come out that the daughter had something to do with her mother and brother's death.  

See, this is what I've been thinking.  At first based on the fact they found letters from her to him in his stuff.  I wish they'd release the content.

missymo

I don't think she was his daughter.  There are reports that her brother's body was identified using his father's DNA, and that DiMaggio didn't even meet Hannah's mother until she was already 6 months pregnant with her.  Who knows what the truth is, but I think sexual predator more than I think father.  

I also can't get on board with thinking she had anything to do with it.  Even if she willingly "ran away" with the dude, I refuse to believe she had anything to do with the death of her mother and little bro. 

I honestly can't even believe people are saying that.  Have I missed some evidence that points to this, or is it just wild conjecture? 

CinemaGoddess

I think if she did have anything to do with it, it was because of his influence.  It wasn't because she's naturally an evil person who wished ill will on her family.  Like Patty Hearst and the SLA.  

She's a victim no matter how you look at things, but she may still be involved in the deaths.  

missymo

prncebride said:

CinemaGoddess said:

prncebride said:

I think it's gong to the come out that the daughter had something to do with her mother and brother's death.  

My experience from watching Law & Order for 20 years tells me there is truth in this statement.  

This will probably get me flamed, but here it goes..  Hannah's admitted that the guy said that he had feelings for her, and I think she "took advantage" of this and promised to run away with him if he did something about her family.  She either had not intention of running away with him and he took her forcefully or she went willingly knowing that it could either 1. end in his death or 2. if he were captured she'd still come out as the victim because she's a "young girl."

Wow.  I'm not gonna flame you, because that's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but I really think you are assuming some horrific things based off very little evidence.  This girl is not a fictional character on a television show...she's a real person.  As far as we know she did nothing wrong, yet there are still people out there attributing this whole situation to her.  

You basically just said DiMaggio is a victim.  Wow.  

myskyegirl

missymo said:

prncebride said:

CinemaGoddess said:

prncebride said:

I think it's gong to the come out that the daughter had something to do with her mother and brother's death.  

My experience from watching Law & Order for 20 years tells me there is truth in this statement.  

This will probably get me flamed, but here it goes..  Hannah's admitted that the guy said that he had feelings for her, and I think she "took advantage" of this and promised to run away with him if he did something about her family.  She either had not intention of running away with him and he took her forcefully or she went willingly knowing that it could either 1. end in his death or 2. if he were captured she'd still come out as the victim because she's a "young girl."

Wow.  I'm not gonna flame you, because that's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but I really think you are assuming some horrific things based off very little evidence.  This girl is not a fictional character on a television show...she's a real person.  As far as we know she did nothing wrong, yet there are still people out there attributing this whole situation to her.  

You basically just said DiMaggio is a victim.  Wow.  

missymo said:

prncebride said:

CinemaGoddess said:

prncebride said:

I think it's gong to the come out that the daughter had something to do with her mother and brother's death.  

My experience from watching Law & Order for 20 years tells me there is truth in this statement.  

This will probably get me flamed, but here it goes..  Hannah's admitted that the guy said that he had feelings for her, and I think she "took advantage" of this and promised to run away with him if he did something about her family.  She either had not intention of running away with him and he took her forcefully or she went willingly knowing that it could either 1. end in his death or 2. if he were captured she'd still come out as the victim because she's a "young girl."

Wow.  I'm not gonna flame you, because that's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but I really think you are assuming some horrific things based off very little evidence.  This girl is not a fictional character on a television show...she's a real person.  As far as we know she did nothing wrong, yet there are still people out there attributing this whole situation to her.  

You basically just said DiMaggio is a victim.  Wow.  

@Missymo, you are absolutely right I have not proof, I'm not a cop and don't know these people from a hole in the wall, this is just my thoughts.  I could be absolutely wrong and the girl had nothing to do with it.  But, there is a small chance that she may.  There have been girls who have killed or talk their boyfriends into killing their parent because they were told they weren't allowed to be with each other.  I think even for a teenager and even taking into account how all people grieve differently, she's taken the death of her mother and brother without blinking an eye.The day she was found she went onto Twitter and was answering people questions about what happened.  That just doesn't seem normal to me.  I think DiMaggio is sooo far from being a victim, but I don't think she is really either though.  

acaudill75

chapski said:

sorta weird though that he'd have her and her brother listed on his life insurance... 

Maybe her (even if he's a weirdo/wanted her for sexual partner) but why her brother?

Maybe they think the brother was also his child, but what would be the point of getting his DNA? I am not clear on what happened, but didn't mom and brother get burned? IIRC, they were killed and then he set everything on fire? Would there be enough for a DNA sample from the son?

All very weird, and if I were the judge, I would toss that request, and his creepy family, out of court. Even if she is related, only Hannah should be able to request that test, given the circumstances. She has the most to lose by a possible match.

LuckyDad

I'm pretty sure Hannah and her kidnapper had some sort of inappropriate relationship. This may have been him giving her attention and her gobbling it up because sixteen year old girl. It may have been more, although it would then be statutory rape. And yeah, if I had a sixteen year old daughter, she wouldn't be taking trips alone with any of my friends. It just sets up too much potential awkwardness if nothing else, y'know?

I don't want to believe she had anything to do with the murder of her mother and brother. The thought horrifies me more than I already am horrified.

missymo

@prncebride, I just can't get behind saying she is not a victim before facts are presented to back that up.  If you've never been in that situation, you have no what a normal reaction is.  Not to mention, many children live through Twitter and other social media.  It is a huge part of their lives. 

Even if she was having a relationship with an adult, she is still the victim here.  

You claiming she is not a victim, without evidence to the contrary, just reminds me of when Amanda Berry went to the fair and people said, "It's not normal for her to be out trying to have fun! If she really went through what she said she did, she would be doing xyz."  

Libby1978

I've just felt like something was "off" about the whole situation.  She may have had absolutely nothing to do with what happened.  I just wouldn't be surprised if she did.

Also, I will never assume a young person is not capable of committing horrible crimes.  It happens.  Look at the kids in OK that shot a random guy jogging down the street this week. 

acaudill75

missymo said:

@prncebride, I just can't get behind saying she is not a victim before facts are presented to back that up.  If you've never been in that situation, you have no what a normal reaction is.  Not to mention, many children live through Twitter and other social media.  It is a huge part of their lives. 

Even if she was having a relationship with an adult, she is still the victim here.  

You claiming she is not a victim, without evidence to the contrary, just reminds me of when Amanda Berry went to the fair and people said, "It's not normal for her to be out trying to have fun! If she really went through what she said she did, she would be doing xyz."  

This. She may turn out to be a manipulative bitchy woman, but I would still say that at 16, she is not fully aware of what it means to take off with a 40 yr old man.

RondackHiker

I just can't with the "she's not really a victim".

She could have had something to do with their death. She could have wanted to go with him.

But she's still 16, and he's 40, and she's a victim.

missymo

@Libby1978, I certainly agree that children are capable of horrible, heinous crimes.  No doubt about it.  

In this instance though, I personally won't call out this kid until there is some evidence that she is culpable.  

Libby1978

missymo said:

@Libby1978, I certainly agree that children are capable of horrible, heinous crimes.  No doubt about it.  

In this instance though, I personally won't call out this kid until there is some evidence that she is culpable.  

Fair enough.  I think you're right.  I'm just letting my imagination get the better of me.

Libby1978

RondackHiker said:

I just can't with the "she's not really a victim". She could have had something to do with their death. She could have wanted to go with him. But she's still 16, and he's 40, and she's a victim.

Now this I can't agree with.  If by some crazy chance she ends up being guilty of being a willing participant in the deaths of her mother and brother she should be held accountable.

CinemaGoddess

Libby1978 said:

RondackHiker said:

I just can't with the "she's not really a victim". She could have had something to do with their death. She could have wanted to go with him. But she's still 16, and he's 40, and she's a victim.

Now this I can't agree with.  If by some crazy chance she ends up being guilty of being a willing participant in the deaths of her mother and brother she should be held accountable.

I have mixed feelings on this.  If she did what she did at his urging, I would not be comfortable charging her with anything.  This would include "You know, we could be together if it wasn't for your family"* type statements.  

If she did anything of her own free will, independent of what he wanted, then I would be comfortable charging her.  But it would be really hard to prove this.  

*That's a completely made up statement.  It's only for example.  

RondackHiker

Libby1978 said:

RondackHiker said:

I just can't with the "she's not really a victim".

She could have had something to do with their death. She could have wanted to go with him.

But she's still 16, and he's 40, and she's a victim.

Now this I can't agree with.  If by some crazy chance she ends up being guilty of being a willing participant in the deaths of her mother and brother she should be held accountable.

Her being a victim doesn't mean she can't be held accountable if she was a willing participant in their death.

It seems as if they had a relationship. She was 16. He was 40. That means she's a victim.

If she willingly killed her family to go with him, she should be charged. But that doesn't cancel out being a victim.

I don't like the "manipulative 16 year old tricking a poor adult man" idea. At all.

I think it's likely this is a very complex case. She may have been involved and may not. But she's still a victim.

LuckyDad

missymo said:

@Libby1978, I certainly agree that children are capable of horrible, heinous crimes.  No doubt about it.  

In this instance though, I personally won't call out this kid until there is some evidence that she is culpable.  

Yep. Our sheriff has stressed repeatedly she is nothing but a victim.

Until other evidence surfaces, I'm gonna go with the official Law Enforcement line.

Libby1978

@CinemaGoddess It would be very hard to prove.

@RondackHiker Yes, I agree if there was a realtionship going on she is a victim for that reason. And I absolutely do not think he was a victim at all.

JPinkman

Sounds like someone is confusing Hannah Anderson with Hannah McKay...

 

CinemaGoddess

Confession:  When people talk about Hannah Anderson I have to remember they're not talking about Hannah Andersson.