I feel the same way... I am in my first trimester and decided back in September when we started trying that I wasn't going to get the flu shot. I work in the human services field as a social worker, around many people, including children, every day. This happens to be my own personal belief as well. I have always gotten the flu shot in the past, but I'm not willing to inject something into my body that could potentially harm my unborn child. I understand there are many clinical studies to prove that it is safe, however it's not 100%, which to me isn't good enough. I also believe in hand washing, vitamin taking and an overall healthy lifestyle. I applaud your decision to do what you believe is best for your children and yourself, and don't let others make you feel any differently!
Hi, abigail/cruelsound/whocanitbenow.
Da fuq?
@whocanitbenow I just laughed and laughed at those assumptions. Obviously she underestimates the pure genius that you and @cruelsound 's AE's would be.
I feel the same way... I am in my first trimester and decided back in September when we started trying that I wasn't going to get the flu shot. I work in the human services field as a social worker, around many people, including children, every day. This happens to be my own personal belief as well. I have always gotten the flu shot in the past, but I'm not willing to inject something into my body that could potentially harm my unborn child. I understand there are many clinical studies to prove that it is safe, however it's not 100%, which to me isn't good enough. I also believe in hand washing, vitamin taking and an overall healthy lifestyle. I applaud your decision to do what you believe is best for your children and yourself, and don't let others make you feel any differently!
Just a little FYI to the OP, I'm heading to the hospital now to see if what I have is the flu. It's really bad right now, my friend just got back her results from the ER and she had the h1n1 and she is just a few weeks behind me in pregnancy. God forbid something were to happen to her or her baby.
I feel the same way... I am in my first trimester and decided back in September when we started trying that I wasn't going to get the flu shot. I work in the human services field as a social worker, around many people, including children, every day. This happens to be my own personal belief as well. I have always gotten the flu shot in the past, but I'm not willing to inject something into my body that could potentially harm my unborn child. I understand there are many clinical studies to prove that it is safe, however it's not 100%, which to me isn't good enough. I also believe in hand washing, vitamin taking and an overall healthy lifestyle. I applaud your decision to do what you believe is best for your children and yourself, and don't let others make you feel any differently!
Please tell me.. why would your obgyn tell you to get the flu shot if they knew I would harm your baby? I was just on hold today with wic and the automated service specifically said "if you haven't gotten the flu shot yet it is highly encouraged. ESPECIALLY if you're pregnant". You are harming your child more by not getting it.
I late coming in, and haven't read all 5 pages. For what it's worth, my SIL is a Ob/Gyn, and Christmas Eve she almost lost a patient with the flu. They had to take the baby at 29 weeks to save the mom. She didn't have the flu shot. My SIL told me that 1 in 10 pregnant ladies will get the flu. It is harder for a pregnant woman's body to heal itself from the flu.
I'll be honest - I'm a teacher and haven't gotten one in 7 years … HOWEVER my RE did say the likelihood of miscarrying after getting the flu is VERY high. Plus your immune system tends to weaken once you are pregnant.
Two people I knew got the flu - so I sucked it up and went against my usual judgement and got the preservative free shot. I feel better that I did because I just read about a pregnant woman getting H1N1 while 20 weeks pregnant and the baby miscarried due to the high fever the mother had.
Since most of the discussion is attacking you, I just thought I'd chime in and say that I don't believe in the flu shot either. This is not to say that I don't believe in vaccines at all. I think there are many helpful ones out there. However, the flu did not become an epidemic until everything became anti-bacterial and a vaccine was born for just about everything. I believe in building our immune systems the natural way. And I've seen enough people get horribly sick from the vaccine to ever think of getting it myself.
Don't bother trying to explain to me how the flu vaccine is great. It won't change my mind.
Care to explain how anti-bacterial stuff would have anything to do with the flu, which is caused by a virus?
I believe that not getting the flu shot for you or your unborn child is selfish. I would rather me or my child have a mild case of the flu even if we got the shot than be in the hospital for weeks at a time fighting it. My H who claims he got sick every year that he would get it through work and he began to refuse it, got it this year because he understands the importance to me.
Since most of the discussion is attacking you, I just thought I'd chime in and say that I don't believe in the flu shot either. This is not to say that I don't believe in vaccines at all. I think there are many helpful ones out there. However, the flu did not become an epidemic until everything became anti-bacterial and a vaccine was born for just about everything. I believe in building our immune systems the natural way. And I've seen enough people get horribly sick from the vaccine to ever think of getting it myself.
Don't bother trying to explain to me how the flu vaccine is great. It won't change my mind.
Since most of the discussion is attacking you, I just thought I'd chime in and say that I don't believe in the flu shot either. This is not to say that I don't believe in vaccines at all. I think there are many helpful ones out there. However, the flu did not become an epidemic until everything became anti-bacterial and a vaccine was born for just about everything. I believe in building our immune systems the natural way. And I've seen enough people get horribly sick from the vaccine to ever think of getting it myself.
Don't bother trying to explain to me how the flu vaccine is great. It won't change my mind.
Um. There is just so much wrong with this.......
Not that it's going to matter because facts and science are scary but:
Flu = virus not BACTERIA
And yeah you are totally right - Influenza never killed mass amounts of people prior to vaccines.......
1889 "Russian Flu" Pandemic killed at least 1 million people 1918 "Spanish Flu" Pandemic killed MILLIONS of people - 3-5% of the world's population. What sector had the highest mortality rate? PREGNANT WOMEN - with a mortality rate of 25-71% and of those who survived - over 25% lost the baby.
Enter the age of vaccines in a highly connected world:
The 2009 H1N1 pandemic barely killed 20,000 officially (ie. Flu confirmed by lab or on death certificate). Being able to get a vaccine out to the public prevented more cases, and more severe reactions.
Now you stop it with all your silly facts and reality. You're not going to change her mind. The flu VIRUS is new and caused by anti-BACTERIAL usage and that's that. Don't be so meeeeeeaaaaannnn!!!
Wow... the negativity in here really makes me wonder if this is a good outlet for pregnant women at all. Can we not be in a place and NOT attack one another?
Wow... the negativity in here really makes me wonder if this is a good outlet for pregnant women at all. Can we not be in a place and NOT attack one another?
Ladies, think of your babies!!1!!11!!!!1
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Since most of the discussion is attacking you, I just thought I'd chime in and say that I don't believe in the flu shot either. This is not to say that I don't believe in vaccines at all. I think there are many helpful ones out there. However, the flu did not become an epidemic until everything became anti-bacterial and a vaccine was born for just about everything. I believe in building our immune systems the natural way. And I've seen enough people get horribly sick from the vaccine to ever think of getting it myself.
Don't bother trying to explain to me how the flu vaccine is great. It won't change my mind.
Someone I know IRL died of the flu last night. His youngest son is still in high school. His wife is, as we speak, grieving the loss of her husband. But you're right. People should just build their immune systems "the natural way." What's the worst that could happen if you're wrong?? Oh, wait...
Wow... the negativity in here really makes me wonder if this is a good outlet for pregnant women at all. Can we not be in a place and NOT attack one another?
We're not being negative. We are utterly flabbergasted at the awesome amount of willful ignorance displayed by some of the people in this thread.
Here are some facts: The flu kills. The flu kills a larger proportion of immune compromised people, pregnant women being in that group. The shot saves lives. The shot is safe. The shot is NOT poison. Fear mongers will use 'scary' scientific words to make the weak minded believe the shot is unsafe. The CDC is NOT out to get you. I am so done with this thread.
ETA: @greeneyed_bride I am so sorry for your loss. T&Ps for your friend's family.
I feel the same way... I am in my first trimester and decided back in September when we started trying that I wasn't going to get the flu shot. I work in the human services field as a social worker, around many people, including children, every day. This happens to be my own personal belief as well. I have always gotten the flu shot in the past, but I'm not willing to inject something into my body that could potentially harm my unborn child. I understand there are many clinical studies to prove that it is safe, however it's not 100%, which to me isn't good enough. I also believe in hand washing, vitamin taking and an overall healthy lifestyle. I applaud your decision to do what you believe is best for your children and yourself, and don't let others make you feel any differently!
Hi, abigail/cruelsound/whocanitbenow.
LAWLZ
Wait, you really think we are all the same person?
LAWLZ
STOP TALKING TO YOURSELF!
Oh wait, who am I talking to there? I'm so confused.
Wow... the negativity in here really makes me wonder if this is a good outlet for pregnant women at all. Can we not be in a place and NOT attack one another?
It's a personal choice. My sister in law never got a flu shot, neither did two or my friends who have healthy babies. Of the pregnant people I know right now, only one had a flu shot. It's a personal decision.
I understand we all have raging hormones right now but attacking people and calling them idiots is really uncalled for. Anger and name calling never persuaded anyone.
It's a personal choice. My sister in law never got a flu shot, neither did two or my friends who have healthy babies. Of the pregnant people I know right now, only one had a flu shot. It's a personal decision.
I understand we all have raging hormones right now but attacking people and calling them idiots is really uncalled for. Anger and name calling never persuaded anyone.
No, we don't. Not everyone is pregnant. Not every pregnant woman has raging hormones. No one is being attacked. Stating contradicting facts does not equal attack. As for the PP who got called an idiot, if she really believes that and refuses to be persuaded by reality, then she is an idiot. You couldn't be more wrong.
I'm sorry I thought this was a board for pregnant women.
You may call name calling a "discussion", I do not. If in fact it IS a discussion, it is a very negative one.
Since you didn't quote, I can only assume you are talking to me. I'm not a doctor. I'm a nurse. This board is for whoever cares to post here. You're right, it isn't really a discussion when PP states this is my opinion and you can persuade me otherwise. It's not really a matter of opinion there are facts that outright contradict her. Receiving the flu shot isn't a total personal decision. There are people who aren't able to receive the flu shot. They depend on others receiving their shots as their protection. Also, when one is pregnant, it's not just about them. There is an unborn baby depending on you to make an educated decision to protect them since they can't make that decision themselves.
Since most of the discussion is attacking you, I just thought I'd chime in and say that I don't believe in the flu shot either. This is not to say that I don't believe in vaccines at all. I think there are many helpful ones out there. However, the flu did not become an epidemic until everything became anti-bacterial and a vaccine was born for just about everything. I believe in building our immune systems the natural way. And I've seen enough people get horribly sick from the vaccine to ever think of getting it myself.
Don't bother trying to explain to me how the flu vaccine is great. It won't change my mind.
Okay. But I will bother saying that anti-bacterial is against bacteria and the flu is a virus.
Also, I apologize for not quoting, I am very new to this board and was just looking for some comfort, support and understanding in the beginning of my very first pregnancy.
Since most of the discussion is attacking you, I just thought I'd chime in and say that I don't believe in the flu shot either. This is not to say that I don't believe in vaccines at all. I think there are many helpful ones out there. However, the flu did not become an epidemic until everything became anti-bacterial and a vaccine was born for just about everything. I believe in building our immune systems the natural way. And I've seen enough people get horribly sick from the vaccine to ever think of getting it myself.
Don't bother trying to explain to me how the flu vaccine is great. It won't change my mind.
Okay. But I will bother saying that anti-bacterial is against bacteria and the flu is a virus.
So. Science.
Not to mention common sense.
A lot of people don't get that bacteria and viruses are not the same agents. I know it sounds funny, but it's actually quite shocking. And sad.
It scares me how many people think the flu is vomiting and diarrhea. They get that and the complain that they got the flu shot and still got the flu. Frightening.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Obviously I wish everyone nothing but the best health and smoothest of pregnancies no matter their choice.
Yes, they are. But I've come to find that the vast majority of people who are against the flu shot are greatly uneducated or completely misinformed about it. They need to do some research (using credible sources) before making such an important decision.
Also, I apologize for not quoting, I am very new to this board and was just looking for some comfort, support and understanding in the beginning of my very first pregnancy.
I'm sorry.
You can have whatever opinion you want. It doesn't make you right or mean it's a good choice.
Westboro Church is entitled to their opinions. It doesn't make them good people because in their opinion having the gay means they can cheer at your funeral that another friend of the gays has been smited from the Earth by God's divine will.
Ugh. Don't get me started on those fuckin people! X(
I'm sorry I thought this was a board for pregnant women.
You may call name calling a "discussion", I do not. If in fact it IS a discussion, it is a very negative one.
Then don't post here. Plain and simple. This is what happens in vaccine discussions. Every. Single. Time.
Your kindness is overwhelming and welcoming to new members and newly pregnant women. Thank you.
No one has to be nice. You're new here. If you stick around, you will find that people here are extremely blunt and honest. You won't get smoke blown up your ass. In my opinion, that's the best way to be. No bullshit. If you listen (read) closely, you will find that there are quite a few people here who are very knowledgable and you can learn a lot from them.
Re: Anyone else against the flu shot?
@whocanitbenow I just laughed and laughed at those assumptions. Obviously she underestimates the pure genius that you and @cruelsound 's AE's would be.
Jenny McCarthy is a moron. It's hard to believe anyone would've ever taken her seriously.
Jenny McCarthy is a moron. It's hard to believe anyone would've ever taken her seriously.
Did you know that she is now a spokesperson for e cigs?
Ha, yes, I do remember seeing that now. Pathetic.
For what it's worth, my SIL is a Ob/Gyn, and Christmas Eve she almost lost a patient with the flu. They had to take the baby at 29 weeks to save the mom. She didn't have the flu shot. My SIL told me that 1 in 10 pregnant ladies will get the flu. It is harder for a pregnant woman's body to heal itself from the flu.
I know there were some helpful references on page 1 or 2.... but no one needs to rehash the ugly in this thread.
Just the regular shot.
Oscar born October 2011
Miscarriage at 8 weeks (August 2013)
DD due September 1, 2014
Dead virus only, no live virus.
And this thread was actually pretty tame I've seen MUCH worse on this very topic. Education people. Education rocks.
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Pretty much sums up what I was thinking.
Now you stop it with all your silly facts and reality. You're not going to change her mind. The flu VIRUS is new and caused by anti-BACTERIAL usage and that's that. Don't be so meeeeeeaaaaannnn!!!
Ladies, think of your babies!!1!!11!!!!1
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Here are some facts:
The flu kills.
The flu kills a larger proportion of immune compromised people, pregnant women being in that group.
The shot saves lives.
The shot is safe.
The shot is NOT poison.
Fear mongers will use 'scary' scientific words to make the weak minded believe the shot is unsafe.
The CDC is NOT out to get you.
I am so done with this thread.
ETA: @greeneyed_bride I am so sorry for your loss. T&Ps for your friend's family.
LAWLZ
Wait, you really think we are all the same person?
LAWLZ
STOP TALKING TO YOURSELF!
Oh wait, who am I talking to there? I'm so confused.
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Since you didn't quote, I can only assume you are talking to me. I'm not a doctor. I'm a nurse. This board is for whoever cares to post here. You're right, it isn't really a discussion when PP states this is my opinion and you can persuade me otherwise. It's not really a matter of opinion there are facts that outright contradict her. Receiving the flu shot isn't a total personal decision. There are people who aren't able to receive the flu shot. They depend on others receiving their shots as their protection. Also, when one is pregnant, it's not just about them. There is an unborn baby depending on you to make an educated decision to protect them since they can't make that decision themselves.
Not to mention common sense.
It scares me how many people think the flu is vomiting and diarrhea. They get that and the complain that they got the flu shot and still got the flu. Frightening.
Yes, they are. But I've come to find that the vast majority of people who are against the flu shot are greatly uneducated or completely misinformed about it. They need to do some research (using credible sources) before making such an important decision.
Ugh. Don't get me started on those fuckin people! X(
No one has to be nice. You're new here. If you stick around, you will find that people here are extremely blunt and honest. You won't get smoke blown up your ass. In my opinion, that's the best way to be. No bullshit. If you listen (read) closely, you will find that there are quite a few people here who are very knowledgable and you can learn a lot from them.