What's your idea of living comfortably?

notkateanymore · July 2013

The SAHM board had a thread about this yesterday and the answers varied wildly, so I'm curious to see answers here...

What is your idea of living comfortably?

jmb527 · July 2013

To me living comfortably is not having any debt aside from mortgage and car payments, and having money in our savings. This also includes having "play" money each month to do things we enjoy-shop, lunches or dinners out, going new places, etc.

shortms6 · July 2013

Having money in the bank after the bills are paid as well as having some in savings. Not having a constant worry month to month of how things are going to be paid for. It may not mean having a lot but at least you have a cushion to fall back on if you ever need it.

malamutemommy · July 2013

I think not living paycheck to paycheck would be a good start.
Basically being able to pay the bills and having money left over to spend on a few indulgences like eating out or going on a date, saving up for a nice vacation, or me being able to treat myself to a pedicure or something every now and then. Not having to freak out or budget every cent we spend would be living comfortably to me.

lisab613 · July 2013

To me it means having enough to pay your bills, save a bit and have some leftover for treats like dining out, going to the movies, buying the occasional new clothes. Basically I look at it as not having to worry about money too much. Having enough that if you did have an emergency, like a car repair, it wouldn't be a total disaster.

golfingdarwinfish · July 2013

Being able to spend what I want and not having to think about where it's coming from or where else it "should" be going; i.e. not feeling guilty about indulgences. This would mean also having healthy savings & retirement accounts, emergency funds and knowing that there's still a couple grand leftover each month after our bills are paid.

ladameperdue · July 2013

How about... being able to occasionally buy yourself clothes, makeup, etc on a whim without guilt or thinking about how the accounts will look at the end of the month. I would also say for us, being able to take two international trips a year, one to see family in Europe, and one somewhere else for fun, while still saving.

golfingdarwinfish · July 2013

KateMW:
The SAHM board had a thread about this yesterday and the answers varied wildly, so I'm curious to see answers here...
What is your idea of living comfortably?

I lurk the SAHM board a bit since I may end up being a part-time SAHM if I continue freelancing once LO arrives; or I may go full-time SAHM for a TBD amount of time.

notkateanymore · July 2013

My idea of living comfortably is owning a house that fits the whole family without bursting at the seems in a good school district, two late model safe cars, a vacation or two a year-long weekends or full weeks, not having to worry about bills being paid or groceries being bought, saving for the future and having some extra money. This is not necessarily how we live, but at a minimum to be comfortable to us, we would need this. If we didn't have this, I would go back to work.

notkateanymore · July 2013

VCGolfNYC:
Being able to spend what I want and not having to think about where it's coming from or where else it "should" be going; i.e. not feeling guilty about indulgences. This would mean also having healthy savings & retirement accounts, emergency funds and knowing that there's still a couple grand leftover each month after our bills are paid.

Please come post this on the SAHM board, so I'm not the evil one suggesting snobby vacations. LOL I don't disagree with you that it's the way I prefer to live, but I could be comfortable with less.

nicholssquared · July 2013

This is financial security to me:

My mortgage and car payment are my only lines of credit. My home is large enough to comfortably house my family. I don't mind living paycheck to paycheck as long as I am: 1. Contributing to my 401k; 2. Have life insurance; 3. Meet all my obligations regarding utilities, car insurance, childcare and food; 4. Have an emergency/medical fund of about 1 month's salary. Also, I may be a mean mommy, but my kids are on their own for college - DH and I paid our way and we were just fine. We'll help them here and there if they need it, but I'm not just paying for it.

For the most part, this is where we are, although my emergency fund is lacking. I'd like to replenish it. I get an extra paycheck in October, and a bonus if I pass my actuarial exam, so that's probably what I'll do with it. Actually, we do have a credit card right now and I hate the thing. I think the whole concept of credit is dumb. Sometimes I put gas and groceries on it, but we pay it off every month. /sigh

rkcaraway · July 2013

KateMW:
My idea of living comfortably is owning a house that fits the whole family without bursting at the seems in a good school district, two late model safe cars, a vacation or two a year-long weekends or full weeks, not having to worry about bills being paid or groceries being bought, saving for the future and having some extra money. This is not necessarily how we live, but at a minimum to be comfortable to us, we would need this. If we didn't have this, I would go back to work.

I completely agree with all of this!

SoMoNY · July 2013

Still having 50+% of take home salary available each month after bills are paid off, both spouses contributing max to 401k each year, contributing to 529, a safety net big enough to carry you 12 months should one person lose their job.

A situation where while a new roof would be a bummer it wouldn't cause a family emergency.

mamaj1220 · July 2013

malamutemommy:
I think not living paycheck to paycheck would be a good start.
Basically being able to pay the bills and having money left over to spend on a few indulgences like eating out or going on a date, saving up for a nice vacation, or me being able to treat myself to a pedicure or something every now and then. Not having to freak out or budget every cent we spend would be living comfortably to me.

This. I would love to be able to treat me when I'm stressed and just want some me time.

adawn1981 · July 2013

lisab613:
To me it means having enough to pay your bills, save a bit and have some leftover for treats like dining out, going to the movies, buying the occasional new clothes. Basically I look at it as not having to worry about money too much. Having enough that if you did have an emergency, like a car repair, it wouldn't be a total disaster.

Exactly this. That would be nice

jax63081 · July 2013

Pretty much everything that all PPs said. Not living paycheck to paycheck. Having something in savings. No credit card bills. It's nice to dream.

MrsRo731 · July 2013

SoMoNY:

Still having 50+% of take home salary available each month after bills are paid off, both spouses contributing max to 401k each year, contributing to 529, a safety net big enough to carry you 12 months should one person lose their job.

A situation where while a new roof would be a bummer it wouldn't cause a family emergency.

Yep, this exactly.

KateVA · July 2013

Comfortable to me is about quality of life, not material possessions. So yes, paying bills, saving some (which we currently aren't really doing much of but hopefully as the kids age and I go back to work), having a nice home and reliable cars. But vacations, buying whatever I want, jewelry etc don't matter to me. We made a conscious decision to give that up when left DC and our DC salaries to live at the beach. No vacations other than visiting family but we live on an island. Sometimes I do miss our old life of fancy dinners and vacations but I don't miss traffic and stress and long hours. Its a balancing act!

golfingdarwinfish · July 2013

KateMW:
VCGolfNYC:
Being able to spend what I want and not having to think about where it's coming from or where else it "should" be going; i.e. not feeling guilty about indulgences.  This would mean also having healthy savings & retirement accounts, emergency funds and knowing that there's still a couple grand leftover each month after our bills are paid. 

Please come post this on the SAHM board, so I'm not the evil one suggesting snobby vacations. LOL I don't disagree with you that it's the way I prefer to live, but I could be comfortable with less.  

I don't need vacations to be comfortable. I could probably be comfortable saving less than a couple grand a month, but I grew up with nothing, and then went from having nothing to, well, having a lot. I also pay my parents property taxes and other assorted bills for them, so the thought of not saving a couple grand a month may sound crazy, but it makes me mildly uncomfortable mainly because I know I will be taking care of my parents in the future. I'm comfortable if they do not have to worry.

When lurking the SAHM board there was a post about most expensive meal. I was shocked by the amount people thought was really high, so I asked DH about our most expensive meal. Apparently we've had 4 figure dinners here and in Europe; I'm a molecular gastronomy fanatic, and I guess that doesn't come cheap. I figured I'd be flamed for something like that

MamaGrillo · July 2013

I think it has changed a bit from what it used to be. Basically not having to worry.
Enough. Such a relative term. After the housing disaster in recent years, we had to make major adjustments in our thinking and living.We're in a real estate related field.
Comfortable used to mean being able to cover all expenses, go on a vacation whenever it was convenient, do fun things and good/charitable things, and me being home full time.

Now, it is having enough to cover the necessary stuff like mortgage, food, and household expenses, not having debt. I like the not having debt part. It means we have to wait to go on vacation till the vacation tank is filled, but it works for us.

It is OUR new comfortable.
I find that how comfortable I feel is directly proportional to how content I am with what I have.... Something I still work on daily...

I love reading how everyone is so different in their needs/ wants, and yet we all need the same basic securities.

notkateanymore · July 2013

VCGolfNYC:
KateMW:
VCGolfNYC:
Being able to spend what I want and not having to think about where it's coming from or where else it "should" be going; i.e. not feeling guilty about indulgences. This would mean also having healthy savings & retirement accounts, emergency funds and knowing that there's still a couple grand leftover each month after our bills are paid.

Please come post this on the SAHM board, so I'm not the evil one suggesting snobby vacations. LOL I don't disagree with you that it's the way I prefer to live, but I could be comfortable with less.
I don't need vacations to be comfortable. I could probably be comfortable saving less than a couple grand a month, but I grew up with nothing, and then went from having nothing to, well, having a lot. I also pay my parents property taxes and other assorted bills for them, so the thought of not saving a couple grand a month may sound crazy, but it makes me mildly uncomfortable mainly because I know I will be taking care of my parents in the future. I'm comfortable if they do not have to worry. When lurking the SAHM board there was a post about most expensive meal. I was shocked by the amount people thought was really high, so I asked DH about our most expensive meal. Apparently we've had 4 figure dinners here and in Europe; I'm a molecular gastronomy fanatic, and I guess that doesn't come cheap. I figured I'd be flamed for something like that

Lets just say I've never shared the total of my two Per Se meals with them and leave it at that.

playball13 · July 2013

jmb527:
To me living comfortably is not having any debt aside from mortgage and car payments, and having money in our savings. This also includes having "play" money each month to do things we enjoy-shop, lunches or dinners out, going new places, etc.

This

onewayticket · July 2013

Doing things I like to do without worrying. This includes eating out, going on at least one vacation a year, having some nice toys (car, camera, clothes) etc. I don't need a mansion but I don't want to THINK or worry about money. I don't want to live pay check to pay check like I used to.

This also includes saving for college and retirement (and paying off my student loans!) AND hopefully buying a house soon but in Palo Alto it may take us a few years.

notkateanymore · July 2013

Soozerella:
KateMW:
My idea of living comfortably is owning a house that fits the whole family without bursting at the seems in a good school district, two late model safe cars, a vacation or two a yearlong weekends or full weeks, not having to worry about bills being paid or groceries being bought, saving for the future and having some extra money. This is not necessarily how we live, but at a minimum to be comfortable to us, we would need this. If we didn't have this, I would go back to work.nbsp;
This but without a concern if I want to buy clothes that are more of a j crew budget than an old navy one.

I prefer a combo.

BootsOrHearts · July 2013

My benchmark is if I don't have to look the prices of anything at Target, I'm in good shape. If I still need to look at prices at a high-end store, like Macy's or something I'm ok with that. I feel like Target is mostly 'must-haves' though so if I have to look at prices and watch what I'm spending, I get irritated.

onewayticket · July 2013

KateMW:
VCGolfNYC:
KateMW:
VCGolfNYC:

Being able to spend what I want and not having to think about where it's coming from or where else it "should" be going; i.e. not feeling guilty about indulgences. This would mean also having healthy savings & retirement accounts, emergency funds and knowing that there's still a couple grand leftover each month after our bills are paid.

Please come post this on the SAHM board, so I'm not the evil one suggesting snobby vacations. LOL I don't disagree with you that it's the way I prefer to live, but I could be comfortable with less.

I don't need vacations to be comfortable. I could probably be comfortable saving less than a couple grand a month, but I grew up with nothing, and then went from having nothing to, well, having a lot. I also pay my parents property taxes and other assorted bills for them, so the thought of not saving a couple grand a month may sound crazy, but it makes me mildly uncomfortable mainly because I know I will be taking care of my parents in the future. I'm comfortable if they do not have to worry. When lurking the SAHM board there was a post about most expensive meal. I was shocked by the amount people thought was really high, so I asked DH about our most expensive meal. Apparently we've had 4 figure dinners here and in Europe; I'm a molecular gastronomy fanatic, and I guess that doesn't come cheap. I figured I'd be flamed for something like that

Lets just say I've never shared the total of my two Per Se meals with them and leave it at that.

I never made it to Per Se while we still lived in NYC BUT we did go to Gramercy Tavern! Highly recommend. I don't think I need to eat at restaurants like that to be "comfortable"-- those are more like, "we are doing well financially".

kate14 · July 2013

jmb527:
To me living comfortably is not having any debt aside from mortgage and car payments, and having money in our savings. This also includes having "play" money each month to do things we enjoy-shop, lunches or dinners out, going new places, etc.

exactly this.

notkateanymore · July 2013

onewayticket:
KateMW:
VCGolfNYC:
KateMW:
VCGolfNYC:

Being able to spend what I want and not having to think about where it's coming from or where else it "should" be going; i.e. not feeling guilty about indulgences. This would mean also having healthy savings & retirement accounts, emergency funds and knowing that there's still a couple grand leftover each month after our bills are paid.

Please come post this on the SAHM board, so I'm not the evil one suggesting snobby vacations. LOL I don't disagree with you that it's the way I prefer to live, but I could be comfortable with less.

I don't need vacations to be comfortable. I could probably be comfortable saving less than a couple grand a month, but I grew up with nothing, and then went from having nothing to, well, having a lot. I also pay my parents property taxes and other assorted bills for them, so the thought of not saving a couple grand a month may sound crazy, but it makes me mildly uncomfortable mainly because I know I will be taking care of my parents in the future. I'm comfortable if they do not have to worry. When lurking the SAHM board there was a post about most expensive meal. I was shocked by the amount people thought was really high, so I asked DH about our most expensive meal. Apparently we've had 4 figure dinners here and in Europe; I'm a molecular gastronomy fanatic, and I guess that doesn't come cheap. I figured I'd be flamed for something like that

Lets just say I've never shared the total of my two Per Se meals with them and leave it at that.

I never made it to Per Se while we still lived in NYC BUT we did go to Gramercy Tavern! Highly recommend. I don't think I need to eat at restaurants like that to be "comfortable"-- those are more like, "we are doing well financially".

We have a friend who is a chef at Gramercy and one who is a manager! I've still never been! LOL Next trip!

MrsQueale · July 2013

Where we are now plus one extra thing.

Money in the bank in addition to savings and education plans, the ability to help family or friends out when in need (this also means the freedom to give to our church and charities),debt free, able to go on trips when we want, kids fully provided for, able to buy the foods for the lifestyle I want, the option for me not to work if I don't want to.

The only thing I want aside from what we have that would make things more comfortable would be to build our own house out of town, we're working on that.

golfingdarwinfish · July 2013

KateMW:
onewayticket:
KateMW:
VCGolfNYC:
KateMW:
VCGolfNYC:

Being able to spend what I want and not having to think about where it's coming from or where else it "should" be going; i.e. not feeling guilty about indulgences.  This would mean also having healthy savings & retirement accounts, emergency funds and knowing that there's still a couple grand leftover each month after our bills are paid. 

Please come post this on the SAHM board, so I'm not the evil one suggesting snobby vacations. LOL I don't disagree with you that it's the way I prefer to live, but I could be comfortable with less.  

I don't need vacations to be comfortable. I could probably be comfortable saving less than a couple grand a month, but I grew up with nothing, and then went from having nothing to, well, having a lot. I also pay my parents property taxes and other assorted bills for them, so the thought of not saving a couple grand a month may sound crazy, but it makes me mildly uncomfortable mainly because I know I will be taking care of my parents in the future. I'm comfortable if they do not have to worry. When lurking the SAHM board there was a post about most expensive meal. I was shocked by the amount people thought was really high, so I asked DH about our most expensive meal. Apparently we've had 4 figure dinners here and in Europe; I'm a molecular gastronomy fanatic, and I guess that doesn't come cheap. I figured I'd be flamed for something like that

Lets just say I've never shared the total of my two Per Se meals with them and leave it at that.  

 I never made it to Per Se while we still lived in NYC BUT we did go to Gramercy Tavern! Highly recommend. I don't think I need to eat at restaurants like that to be "comfortable"-- those are more like, "we are doing well financially".
We have a friend who is a chef at Gramercy and one who is a manager! I've still never been! LOL Next trip! 

We've never been. Per Se, Daniel, Eleven Madison Park and Masa were on my must do list. I'm so infatuated with Eleven Madison Park we just keep going there. I'll have to branch out more...

The hedge fund manager I used to advise had a Michelin rated chef as his personal chef. We have remained close so he always helps me get a table when I'm shut out! Love him!

HerbanMom · July 2013

Currently we are living what I consider comfortable, only debt is one car note and a mortgage. We've got enough money to pay our bills each month and we are able to stash a little aside and still buy the things we need for baby. I'm pretty frugal and I rarely pay full price for anything but still get quality, so that helps.

We've got a 5 year plan to sell the house and be able to go buy land and build, more than likely in another state. We are big homesteaders and we do as much as we can on our own (gardening, canning, chickens, etc) and we'd love to be able to do it on a larger scale and find a way to be fully self-sufficient.

bishesbcrazy · July 2013

SoMoNY:
Still having 50+% of take home salary available each month after bills are paid off, both spouses contributing max to 401k each year, contributing to 529, a safety net big enough to carry you 12 months should one person lose their job.
A situation where while a new roof would be a bummer it wouldn't cause a family emergency.

Closely aligned with this.

I still look at prices but that's out of habit and principle vs. necessity and I still feel guilty for buying certain things, but I think that's part of growing up with little money for extras, we weren't poor, but there was no frivolous spending either.

I would say that in terms of our household income, we're very frugal in everyday life. We have a nice house, drive nice cars, I don't worry about the grocery bill, DD goes to a great school and our kids will never be without...that's about it. But because of this we have awesome savings.

notkateanymore · July 2013

VCGolfNYC:
KateMW:
onewayticket:
KateMW:
VCGolfNYC:
KateMW:
VCGolfNYC:

Being able to spend what I want and not having to think about where it's coming from or where else it "should" be going; i.e. not feeling guilty about indulgences. This would mean also having healthy savings & retirement accounts, emergency funds and knowing that there's still a couple grand leftover each month after our bills are paid.

Please come post this on the SAHM board, so I'm not the evil one suggesting snobby vacations. LOL I don't disagree with you that it's the way I prefer to live, but I could be comfortable with less.

I don't need vacations to be comfortable. I could probably be comfortable saving less than a couple grand a month, but I grew up with nothing, and then went from having nothing to, well, having a lot. I also pay my parents property taxes and other assorted bills for them, so the thought of not saving a couple grand a month may sound crazy, but it makes me mildly uncomfortable mainly because I know I will be taking care of my parents in the future. I'm comfortable if they do not have to worry. When lurking the SAHM board there was a post about most expensive meal. I was shocked by the amount people thought was really high, so I asked DH about our most expensive meal. Apparently we've had 4 figure dinners here and in Europe; I'm a molecular gastronomy fanatic, and I guess that doesn't come cheap. I figured I'd be flamed for something like that

Lets just say I've never shared the total of my two Per Se meals with them and leave it at that.

I never made it to Per Se while we still lived in NYC BUT we did go to Gramercy Tavern! Highly recommend. I don't think I need to eat at restaurants like that to be "comfortable"-- those are more like, "we are doing well financially".
We have a friend who is a chef at Gramercy and one who is a manager! I've still never been! LOL Next trip!
We've never been. Per Se, Daniel, Eleven Madison Park and Masa were on my must do list. I'm so infatuated with Eleven Madison Park we just keep going there. I'll have to branch out more... The hedge fund manager I used to advise had a Michelin rated chef as his personal chef. We have remained close so he always helps me get a table when I'm shut out! Love him!

I knew I needed to be a hedge fund manager. LOL

Have you seen Somm? It's about the master sommelier test and 4 guys who take it. Really great and mild spoiler, one of the guys is the current wine director at EMP. Masa is fantastic. We have had DD with us our last couple of trips, so EMP was out. I wish they still did their lunch with the chicken or duck...always wanted to try it.

thebobloblaw · July 2013

I would say financial security is a big piece. But more just living as stress free as possible. Anxiety rules my life at times, so if I could just feel in control of what stresses me out, live comfortably in a space I truly enjoy and be happy with my career I would be satisfied I think. Funny thing is when I remind myself not to compare my life with other people's, I realize I already have most of what I want. And I find most people who look happy and act like they have their schit together really don't and are the most miserable.

KELLILOVESJOSH · July 2013

I will feel more comfortable when our vehicles are paid for and we just have a mortgage and utilities. It shouldn't be long now and I will be so happy! I will drive my 07 FJ till the wheels fall off and it begs for mercy lol. I think that even if our salaries were to magically double I would still shop the clearance racks, coupon and keep my truck. It's so much a habit now!

hlkliesch · July 2013

jmb527:
To me living comfortably is not having any debt aside from mortgage and car payments, and having money in our savings. This also includes having "play" money each month to do things we enjoy-shop, lunches or dinners out, going new places, etc.

This for us, as well. Although, we don't have car payments - we're big believers in saving up and paying cash. Also, being able to save money for the future - retirement plans, 401k's, saving for a particular purchase etc.

hlkliesch · July 2013

superspecialsnowflake:
I 100% agree with not having to live paycheck to paycheck or worry about how one is going to make a necessary purchase or payment.
I will add that living in my mind also means
- having a good "nest egg" or emergency funds in your savings account in case something goes wrong
- Living in an comfortable home ("comfortable" does not necessarily mean big or fancy), in an area where you feel safe
- Having a fulfilling job that allows you time for relaxation and family
DH and I are comfortable. We are not rich, and we do not live in a fancy home, but at the end of the day, we do not feel like we need anything more. (Our "want" list is a mile long though...lol....)

Ooo, this too! The ability to separate "needs" and "wants." For example, I do need a new car - the 1999 Buick Century with 180,000 miles on it isn't going to last much longer. Although, it has been the best car! So we're saving up to get me something new in October. But, I want new couches. We really don't need them, but I sure would love to have some leather couches! Haha!

KFED103 · July 2013

Mine is similar to many. No debt besides mortgage, 6 months living expenses in savings, contributing to 401k and 529, and being able to purchase items when needed.

One on the main reasons we moved out of CA to a lower cost of living area was to more easily achieve this goals. hopefully wont be long now!

mimers07 · July 2013

KateMW:
VCGolfNYC:
KateMW:
VCGolfNYC:
Being able to spend what I want and not having to think about where it's coming from or where else it "should" be going; i.e. not feeling guilty about indulgences. This would mean also having healthy savings & retirement accounts, emergency funds and knowing that there's still a couple grand leftover each month after our bills are paid.

Please come post this on the SAHM board, so I'm not the evil one suggesting snobby vacations. LOL I don't disagree with you that it's the way I prefer to live, but I could be comfortable with less.
I don't need vacations to be comfortable. I could probably be comfortable saving less than a couple grand a month, but I grew up with nothing, and then went from having nothing to, well, having a lot. I also pay my parents property taxes and other assorted bills for them, so the thought of not saving a couple grand a month may sound crazy, but it makes me mildly uncomfortable mainly because I know I will be taking care of my parents in the future. I'm comfortable if they do not have to worry. When lurking the SAHM board there was a post about most expensive meal. I was shocked by the amount people thought was really high, so I asked DH about our most expensive meal. Apparently we've had 4 figure dinners here and in Europe; I'm a molecular gastronomy fanatic, and I guess that doesn't come cheap. I figured I'd be flamed for something like that
Lets just say I've never shared the total of my two Per Se meals with them and leave it at that.

I LOOOOOOOVE Per Se. The two meals I had there haunt me to this day.

golfingdarwinfish · July 2013

hlkliesch:
superspecialsnowflake:
*clipped*
we do not feel like we need anything more. (Our "want" list is a mile long though...lol....)

Ooo, this too! The ability to separate "needs" and "wants." For example, I do need a new car - the 1999 Buick Century with 180,000 miles on it isn't going to last much longer. Although, it has been the best car! So we're saving up to get me something new in October. But, I want new couches. We really don't need them, but I sure would love to have some leather couches! Haha!

DH is really anal about pointing out the difference between "needs" and "wants". It's a very valid point.

golfingdarwinfish · July 2013

KateMW:
VCGolfNYC:
We've never been. Per Se, Daniel, Eleven Madison Park and Masa were on my must do list. I'm so infatuated with Eleven Madison Park we just keep going there. I'll have to branch out more... The hedge fund manager I used to advise had a Michelin rated chef as his personal chef. We have remained close so he always helps me get a table when I'm shut out! Love him!
I knew I needed to be a hedge fund manager. LOL
Have you seen Somm? It's about the master sommelier test and 4 guys who take it. Really great and mild spoiler, one of the guys is the current wine director at EMP. Masa is fantastic. We have had DD with us our last couple of trips, so EMP was out. I wish they still did their lunch with the chicken or duck...always wanted to try it.

Never seen it, but it will be added to my list!

I think I prefer EMP to Per Se because we had such a personalized experience at EMP the first time we went. One of the waiters overheard a drunk version of me telling DH how much I looooveee olives and how I wish I could live in an olive and other drunken nonsense. A few minutes later I was surprised with a personal olive tasting!

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