IVF Infertility Meds Injections, Does anyone want to sell??

jillywilly12 · July 2012

Hello and Good day to all,

My name is Jill and I am a 32 year old woman trying to have a baby. I have been trying for some years now and after $$$$$ later I have finally accepted the fact that the only way I am going to have a baby is by IVF. This is something that I did not want to except as I am a healthy woman. I was told a few years back that I have PCOS and that if I lose some weight it is a possibility it could go away well I did just that and it did not go away, I want a baby really bad and we are not getting any younger. I have been researching Doctors that have a good success rate with IVF and have found a few, but decided to go back to the Dr that told me I had PCOS as he is a great doctor and wants nothing more that to give me a baby, the problem is that he wants to get started ASAP but $$$ is an issue, I know if this is something I want then $$ is not an issue so they say right! it is hard to pull $15000.00 out of a hat and say here let?s get started. He put me on birth controls yesterday as he was serious about getting started but when I got home I spoke to my fianc?e and he was in shock that it went this way as I went to just talk to him and take the Day 2 of my cycle sono so it was a shock factor when I did the math and realized my insurance won?t cover any kind of meds for infertility as I am not covered (THANKS TO MY JOB) WOW this is going to be pricey huh.. I am sitting here in front of my computer trying to figure this out and the idea came to me to see if any one that has been successful with IVF and has any unused medication left that they are willing to sell to someone who is trying to have a precious baby. I have finally gotten over my crying days of failure of being a woman and not able to conceive the way it is suppose to be and I now need help and I figure I can help someone back with a little cash from buying the meds from you. I have listed the medication below if you have enough for a cycle of any or all of these meds are you willing to sell them to me. I have done my homework on the prices and hope we can work something out.

Meds needed:

Follistim

Menopur

Ganirelix

Novarel

Edwina.McDunnough · July 2012

No one here is successful, this is a TTTC board.

Selling Rx drugs is illegal.

I have no experience with them but some women have used https://ivfmeds.com/

Good luck with your cycling.

jillywilly12 · July 2012

Why is there always someone out there having to say something EXTRA. Do you think I DONT KNOW THAT OTHERS have financial situations?? sometimes people have to think out of the box to make things happen. I Am NOT ASKING FOR illegal drugs here now am I. Thanks for the info of what other woman have used. I mean think of it this way one hand washes the other if someone can help me with Meds I can help them with putting that $ they lost back in there pockets. I am not asking for free stuff here.

Have a good day!!

Edwina.McDunnough · July 2012

You are asking someone to commit an illegal act. Publicly.

Always someone out there = you go phishing a lot and get told to go stuff yourself?

Sorry, but this board has very real experience of people asking for meds and then selling them elsewhere. You are not "helping" anyone. There are many established sell boards for meds, why not just go there?

KdgTeacher · July 2012

jillywilly12:

Why is there always someone out there having to say something EXTRA. Do you think I DONT KNOW THAT OTHERS have financial situations?? sometimes people have to think out of the box to make things happen. I Am NOT ASKING FOR illegal drugs here now am I. Thanks for the info of what other woman have used. I mean think of it this way one hand washes the other if someone can help me with Meds I can help them with putting that $ they lost back in there pockets. I am not asking for free stuff here.

Have a good day!!

Asking for illegal drugs? No

Asking people to something illegal with their drugs? Yes

Are you also hoping they'll sell them at a discounted price?

firesiren · July 2012

This sends up reds flags...... Also kinda rude asking for a favor and not being an active member on this board.

Deardra77 · July 2012

Ivf while awesome to go through cause it gives us a chance it pretty intense. You will need the strong support of your partner to help through the process. U sold your partner was shocked at the decision to go through Ivf, it would be a really good idea to make sure u have his full support before moving into the stages where he will need to actively help out. Maybe he already is after the initial shock but the more u can b string for each other the easier it will be, in my humble opinion anyway!!!

Laurakat81 · July 2012

jillywilly12:
Why is there always someone out there having to say something EXTRA. Do you think I DONT KNOW THAT OTHERS have financial situations?? sometimes people have to think out of the box to make things happen. I Am NOT ASKING FOR illegal drugs here now am I. Thanks for the info of what other woman have used. I mean think of it this way one hand washes the other if someone can help me with Meds I can help them with putting that $ they lost back in there pockets. I am not asking for free stuff here.

Have a good day!!

Hmm

FWIW, if I had extra meds leftover, I wouldn't even be selling them, I'd be handing them out to the girls I've gotten to know on this board, not someone who has been here for a day. That being said, I truly hope you find a way to get your meds and save a ton of money. Good luck!

CutieGirlLissie · July 2012

You should look into the OOPMeds Program. People donate left over meds (including what you listed) and they match them up with people who are needing financial help with their meds.

Edwina.McDunnough · July 2012

CutieGirlLissie:
You should look into the OOPMeds Program.

Moot point and shouldn't be mentioned. The program is instated to protect the active board members from phishers and scammers, please learn about the program's criteria before offering it to those that are unqualified candidates. It's a lot of work for Em to weed out the bad eggs.

firesiren · July 2012

Edwina.McDunnough:
CutieGirlLissie:
You should look into the OOPMeds Program.
Moot point and shouldn't be mentioned. The program is instated to protect the active board members from phishers and scammers, please learn about the program's criteria before offering it to those that are unqualified candidates. It's a lot of work for Em to weed out the bad eggs.

Agreed.

Aimothy · July 2012

I will GLADLY send you my leftover meds when I am done with this cycle.

I will just need you to PM me your social security number, your husband's social security number and an address where I can send you, my new BFF, my leftover drugs.

Mayan2011 · July 2012

Edwina.McDunnough:

CutieGirlLissie:
You should look into the OOPMeds Program.

Moot point and shouldn't be mentioned. The program is instated to protect the active board members from phishers and scammers, please learn about the program's criteria before offering it to those that are unqualified candidates. It's a lot of work for Em to weed out the bad eggs.

Yes

mama_cito95 · July 2012

jillywilly12:
Why is there always someone out there having to say something EXTRA. Do you think I DONT KNOW THAT OTHERS have financial situations?? sometimes people have to think out of the box to make things happen. I Am NOT ASKING FOR illegal drugs here now am I. Thanks for the info of what other woman have used. I mean think of it this way one hand washes the other if someone can help me with Meds I can help them with putting that $ they lost back in there pockets. I am not asking for free stuff here.

Have a good day!!

No one said that you were asking to buy illegal drugs. If you truly have done your research you would understand what was meant that it is illegal to sell prescription drugs. If anyone had any left over meds and sold them to you it would be an illegal act.

reb259 · July 2012

Edwina.McDunnough:

CutieGirlLissie:
You should look into the OOPMeds Program.

Moot point and shouldn't be mentioned. The program is instated to protect the active board members from phishers and scammers, please learn about the program's criteria before offering it to those that are unqualified candidates. It's a lot of work for Em to weed out the bad eggs.

Yes

Enndea · July 2012

reb259:
Edwina.McDunnough:

CutieGirlLissie:
You should look into the OOPMeds Program.

Moot point and shouldn't be mentioned. The program is instated to protect the active board members from phishers and scammers, please learn about the program's criteria before offering it to those that are unqualified candidates. It's a lot of work for Em to weed out the bad eggs.

This is probably true. Though I will say, I lurked on this board and had, oh, about 20 posts a good 8 months before I became a more regular poster. When it became clear IVF was our only option, I contacted OOP and was rejected out of the gate. I get it, but it still kind of stung. Ironically, my friend donated to me her leftover meds (which I could not use since we're on different protocols) and those I have donated to OOP.

CutieGirlLissie · July 2012

Edwina.McDunnough:
CutieGirlLissie:
You should look into the OOPMeds Program.
Moot point and shouldn't be mentioned. The program is instated to protect the active board members from phishers and scammers, please learn about the program's criteria before offering it to those that are unqualified candidates. It's a lot of work for Em to weed out the bad eggs.

I HAVE looked into the program, in fact I HAVE volunteered to donate my leftover meds to it! I understand she is a newbie and doesn't qualify to receive them yet. I also understand there is a chance she isn't in it for the right reasons, but you don't know that. She may be a newbie like we all were/are at some point and doesn't understand protocol. I was just trying to give her a better option to look into if she truly was interested in going about this the right way. I don't mean to give you attitude but your post sounded snarky when all I was doing was helping to educate her more.

Edwina.McDunnough · July 2012

CutieGirlLissie:

I HAVE looked into the program, in fact I HAVE volunteered to donate my leftover meds to it! I understand she is a newbie and doesn't qualify to receive them yet. I also understand there is a chance she isn't in it for the right reasons, but you don't know that. She may be a newbie like we all were/are at some point and doesn't understand protocol. I was just trying to give her a better option to look into if she truly was interested in going about this the right way. I don't mean to give you attitude but your post sounded snarky when all I was doing was helping to educate her more.

You should have pointed out that there is a program for regular posters if she decides to become a part of the community and posted the website with all the details. I'm sorry you are offended with my response, but your post sounded like it's an opportunity she can take advantage of right now, and with 17 posts under your own belt over 6 months, it's not like you're presenting yourself as a regular on this board either.

Not to mention (again) this board has been burned by people with less than good intentions. The potential for someone to resell meds, or take them without medical supervision, or (my favorite) want donated meds even when they HAVE Rx coverage has been abused in the past, and if that means once bitten, twice shy then too bad.

CutieGirlLissie · July 2012

Edwina.McDunnough:
CutieGirlLissie:

I HAVE looked into the program, in fact I HAVE volunteered to donate my leftover meds to it! I understand she is a newbie and doesn't qualify to receive them yet. I also understand there is a chance she isn't in it for the right reasons, but you don't know that. She may be a newbie like we all were/are at some point and doesn't understand protocol. I was just trying to give her a better option to look into if she truly was interested in going about this the right way. I don't mean to give you attitude but your post sounded snarky when all I was doing was helping to educate her more.
You should have pointed out that there is a program for regular posters if she decides to become a part of the community and posted the website with all the details. I'm sorry you are offended with my response, but your post sounded like it's an opportunity she can take advantage of right now, and with 17 posts under your own belt over 6 months, it's not like you're presenting yourself as a regular on this board either.
Not to mention (again) this board has been burned by people with less than good intentions. The potential for someone to resell meds, or take them without medical supervision, or (my favorite) want donated meds even when they HAVE Rx coverage has been abused in the past, and if that means once bitten, twice shy then too bad.

I thought this was supposed to be a place where women could get together and support each other! You're right, I am a newbie and haven't posted much because I work and have a million other things going on in my life that prevent me from posting on every thread i'd like to join. I did lurk on here for a very long time though, too intimidated to post for exactly this reason. I wasn't offended by your response. I just thought that you came across as bossy and rude when you don't know a thing about this poster or myself. But that's ok, I'm going to choose to stop reading responses to this thread because I'd rather stay happy and have positive thoughts throughout this time in my life. I wish you no harmful thoughts, guess we just don't see eye to eye.

AmCheri · July 2012

Edwina.McDunnough:
CutieGirlLissie:
You should look into the OOPMeds Program.
Moot point and shouldn't be mentioned. The program is instated to protect the active board members from phishers and scammers, please learn about the program's criteria before offering it to those that are unqualified candidates. It's a lot of work for Em to weed out the bad eggs.

Ditto this! OP does not qualify for the OOP meds program. Period.

AmCheri · July 2012

CutieGirlLissie:
Edwina.McDunnough:
CutieGirlLissie:

I HAVE looked into the program, in fact I HAVE volunteered to donate my leftover meds to it! I understand she is a newbie and doesn't qualify to receive them yet. I also understand there is a chance she isn't in it for the right reasons, but you don't know that. She may be a newbie like we all were/are at some point and doesn't understand protocol. I was just trying to give her a better option to look into if she truly was interested in going about this the right way. I don't mean to give you attitude but your post sounded snarky when all I was doing was helping to educate her more.
You should have pointed out that there is a program for regular posters if she decides to become a part of the community and posted the website with all the details. I'm sorry you are offended with my response, but your post sounded like it's an opportunity she can take advantage of right now, and with 17 posts under your own belt over 6 months, it's not like you're presenting yourself as a regular on this board either.
Not to mention (again) this board has been burned by people with less than good intentions. The potential for someone to resell meds, or take them without medical supervision, or (my favorite) want donated meds even when they HAVE Rx coverage has been abused in the past, and if that means once bitten, twice shy then too bad.
I thought this was supposed to be a place where women could get together and support each other! You're right, I am a newbie and haven't posted much because I work and have a million other things going on in my life that prevent me from posting on every thread i'd like to join. I did lurk on here for a very long time though, too intimidated to post for exactly this reason. I wasn't offended by your response. I just thought that you came across as bossy and rude when you don't know a thing about this poster or myself. But that's ok, I'm going to choose to stop reading responses to this thread because I'd rather stay happy and have positive thoughts throughout this time in my life. I wish you no harmful thoughts, guess we just don't see eye to eye.

You haven't lurked long enough, apparently, to understand the true purpose and spirit of this community. Edwina doesn't need me to defend her, but I will. She has offered nothing but consummate support and unparalleled helpful information to the women of this board and IFV. We have rules to protect the women here and the integrity of this board as a safe haven when many other aspects of life have grown dark and difficult. It's too bad you don't see that because you are missing out on a very good thing.

joules12 · July 2012

AmCheri:
You haven't lurked long enough, apparently, to understand the true purpose and spirit of this community. Edwina doesn't need me to defend her, but I will. She has offered nothing but consummate support and unparalleled helpful information to the women of this board and IFV. We have rules to protect the women here and the integrity of this board as a safe haven when many other aspects of life have grown dark and difficult. It's too bad you don't see that because you are missing out on a very good thing.

Yes

reb259 · July 2012

joules12:
AmCheri:

You haven't lurked long enough, apparently, to understand the true purpose and spirit of this community. Edwina doesn't need me to defend her, but I will. She has offered nothing but consummate support and unparalleled helpful information to the women of this board and IFV. We have rules to protect the women here and the integrity of this board as a safe haven when many other aspects of life have grown dark and difficult. It's too bad you don't see that because you are missing out on a very good thing.

Well put Am! Yes

Carebear12303 · July 2012

Won't cover meds for infertility or won't cover meds for IVF? If they cover meds for IUI, just have them do the prior auth as if you are having IUI. Order your drugs once a month (if you are covered you will just have a copay). Don't have the IUI's and keep stocking up the drugs, before you know it you will have 6 cycles of drugs for your IVF treatments. If your insurance covers IUI's with meds they they also cover the cycle ultrasounds. So just see your RE once or twice a month every month (paying the copay) and stock up on your drugs. Don't try and refill them all six cycles at once though, just fill one cycle at a time. Just a thought, if indeed your insurance covers meds with IUI.

Good luck, praying.

Carebear12303 · July 2012

And Jilly, there have been people who have successfully become pregnant, even on this TTC board, Ive seen a couple of them alone over this passed month alone. Stay positive girl, you will get through this.

KdgTeacher · July 2012

Carebear12303:

Won't cover meds for infertility or won't cover meds for IVF? If they cover meds for IUI, just have them do the prior auth as if you are having IUI. Order your drugs once a month (if you are covered you will just have a copay). Don't have the IUI's and keep stocking up the drugs, before you know it you will have 6 cycles of drugs for your IVF treatments. If your insurance covers IUI's with meds they they also cover the cycle ultrasounds. So just see your RE once or twice a month every month (paying the copay) and stock up on your drugs. Don't try and refill them all six cycles at once though, just fill one cycle at a time. Just a thought, if indeed your insurance covers meds with IUI.

Good luck, praying.

That advice is just as good--insurance fraud!!!

diamante1181 · July 2012

I think its so sad that insurances screw people over to the point that they have to resort to these kinds of behaviors (asking for meds to be sold and defrauding insurance). I've heard of desperation, but hot damn! What ever happened to integrity?

Carebear12303 · July 2012

Actually, wrong its not insurance fraud. Look it up.

Carebear12303 · July 2012

Its also okay for her to purchase her meds in Canada where they are half the price.

KdgTeacher · July 2012

Carebear12303:
Actually, wrong its not insurance fraud. Look it up.

Hmmm, so what do you call lying to insurance companies to have them pay for meds for a procedure you aren't having done and that they would not cover if you were honest?

ETA:

From https://www.helpstopfraud.org/

In this type of fraud? false or misleading information is provided to a health insurance company in an attempt to have them pay unauthorized benefits to the policy holder? another party? or the entity providing services.

Mitzi Bishi · July 2012

I completely agree with Edwina and AmCheri.

This post is seriously filled with so many hot messes coming out of the wood work.

Yes, we all want a baby REALLY bad, but the reality of it is committing fraud, asking for drugs -- yes, even Px drugs are illegal if they aren't taken by the person they Px to -- is just a bit rich. I'm kind of amazed at the ignorance here in publicly soliciting.

No one here is entitled to anything.

It's always amazing how people show up when there's something "free". Many of the women and their partners here do find creative means of funding IF, which you'd be aware of if you were an active member, though it does typically entail both sides of the relationship to be invested. Where I live they won't even consider IVF if you're not married.

Excitedtostart · July 2012

KdgTeacher:
Carebear12303:
If they cover meds for IUI, just have them do the prior auth as if you are having IUI. Order your drugs once a month. Don't have the IUI's and keep stocking up the drugs, before you know it you will have 6 cycles of drugs for your IVF treatments.
That advice is just as good--insurance fraud!!!

Carebear12303:
Actually, wrong its not insurance fraud. Look it up.

Seriously Carebear? Were you momentarily struck by blinding stupidity, or do you really think this?

1. Yes, it's insurance fraud.

2. The meds you need for an IUI might not be the same ones you'd need for IVF. So, it's useless insurance fraud.

3. I would SERIOUSLY question any RE who would willingly commit insurance fraud - what else are they willing to do that's illegal?

(Because, to recap, insurance fraud is illegal)

4. You may see this as just an easy way to get meds, but here's the reality: You need to convince your RE to write you a Rx for meds for an IUI cycle you don't intend to complete. And then do it again, and again, and again... for six months. What do you think your RE is going to say to you when you keep asking for Rxs for meds, but never actually do an IUI? Do you think you can just explain that your master plan is to trick the insurance company into thinking you're having an IUI because they'll pay for it that way? How long do you think your RE is going to go through with this? They won't. Because while this scam seems pretty nifty to you, they can face legal reprimand (large fines and jail time. Yes, real, actual jail time) by the insurance companies. And if they are found guilty of insurance fraud (which, just to clarify, THIS IS), they can lose their ability to be reimbursed by Medicaid, Medicare, and every other insurance company. Becoming a cash-only clinic may work for them for a while, but ultimately they need insurance money.

Are you so special that they are going to risk their practice so that you can get a free IVF cycle? Probably not.

5. If caught, you are now uninsurable. For the cost of an IVF cycle or two, you are throwing away your ability to have health insurance. Forever. Want health insurance for that pregnancy? Sorry, you cheated and lost! Want health insurance when you're 45 and may need a knee replacement? Sorry, you cheated! Are you willing to risk, or encouraging others to risk all of this, just to save $1,000 - 10,000?

And if you think you won't get caught, your RE will report you faster than you can blink. The crackdown on insurance fraud is aimed at decreasing narcotic abuse, but the side benefit is curtailing regular prescription fraud. If they get audited (as Drs routinely do) and there is suspicion of Rx fraud or abuse, it's hell for them. Trust me, they're not willing to risk it for you.

And because I can't believe you didn't know this was fraudulent, here's a quick google search:

Insurance fraud occurs when any act is committed with the intent to fraudulently obtain some benefit or advantage to which they are not otherwise entitled - Wikipedia

Prescription fraud, which falls under the broader heading of ?pharmaceutical diversion,? is defined as the illegal acquisition of prescription drugs for personal use or profit. - US Department of Justice

Enndea · July 2012

Carebear12303:
Actually, wrong its not insurance fraud. Look it up.

I'm an attorney that works in insurance--trust me, it *is* fraud.

Carebear12303 · July 2012

First I only gave her the option. As everyone else seems to be doing nothing but jumping down the poor girls throat. Newbies can't even come here without hearing it from one of the frequent flyers on here and the words they say are not pretty. If the girls on here learned to be nice instead of bitter towards newbies you may get better responses from other. These woman on here treat newbies like pieces of crap and frankly Im tired of it. We are ALL struggling with the same thing, INFERTILITY-BUT it gives not a one single woman in this forum to jump down someones throat because they post about their feelings and contemplations or they post to the wrong forum on ACCIDENT, unless of course it is spam. So maybe instead of jumping down others throats about "this is fraud" and "this is the TTC Inf forum, there is no success here" maybe they can sit back and think for a second that this WOMAN is JUST LIKE YOU!!!!!

Telling someone there is no success on this board is false information.

Second, yes I found out it would be considered fraud, I apologize for my lack of ignorance in that category.

THIRD-I never said my RE told me that and I never stated I did that, Im not an idiot and for the record am not stating she is either but people will go through whatever they have to to get their meds if they are that desperate.

As for me, yes I want a child with my husband but I would never even contemplate doing it like that. We just finished our 2nd cycle, finding out my dianosis is now LUF-but even with that dianosis its not going to make me become bitter to the other women in this forum. Instead I Pray for them, and I KINDLY would let them know which forum they should go to if they mistakenly posted to the wrong board.

KdgTeacher · July 2012

First I only gave her the option. Oh ok, giving the option to do something illegal is much better. As everyone else seems to be doing nothing but jumping down the poor girls throat. Newbies can't even come here without hearing it from one of the frequent flyers on here and the words they say are not pretty. In your opinion, and you know what they about opinions right? If the girls on here learned to be nice instead of bitter towards newbies you may get better responses from other. Look at you name calling These woman on here treat newbies like pieces of crap and frankly Im tired of it. We are ALL struggling with the same thing, INFERTILITY-BUT it gives not a one single woman in this forum to jump down someones throat because they post about their feelings and contemplations or they post to the wrong forum on ACCIDENT, unless of course it is spam. So maybe instead of jumping down others throats about "this is fraud" and "this is the TTC Inf forum, there is no success here" maybe they can sit back and think for a second that this WOMAN is JUST LIKE YOU!!!!! There are women who get pregnant on this board. But do you know what happens? They leave the board and move on. So when someone comes here asking for success stories, the women who have had are are gone, So who the heck is going to answer their questions???

Telling someone there is no success on this board is false information.

Second, yes I found out it would be considered fraud, I apologize for my lack of ignorance in that category.

THIRD-I never said my RE told me that and I never stated I did that, Im not an idiot and for the record am not stating she is either but people will go through whatever they have to to get their meds if they are that desperate. And most times, thankfully, they get in trouble!

As for me, yes I want a child with my husband but I would never even contemplate doing it like that. We just finished our 2nd cycle, finding out my dianosis is now LUF-but even with that dianosis its not going to make me become bitter to the other women in this forum. Instead I Pray for them, and I KINDLY would let them know which forum they should go to if they mistakenly posted to the wrong board.

Carebear12303 · July 2012

Thanks Kdg teacher, you just proved my point. You are wrong. There were two girls just last week on here who posted twice in here about their BFP's. They were here for a bit. Personally being someone who is struggling with Infertility I would like for those woman to come back and update us on their progress, it just shows there is success with infertility. I would love to see them post in here to remind myself and others that there is always hope.

I am sorry that you feel the need to keep digging at me.......I'm praying that God opens up your heart to see how others have been treated on here as newbies. I pray that He blesses you with a child. Good luck with your October IVF cycle.

KdgTeacher · July 2012

Carebear12303:

Thanks Kdg teacher, you just proved my point. You are wrong. There were two girls just last week on here who posted twice in here about their BFP's. They were here for a bit. Personally being someone who is struggling with Infertility I would like for those woman to come back and update us on their progress, it just shows there is success with infertility. I would love to see them post in here to remind myself and others that there is always hope.

I am sorry that you feel the need to keep digging at me.......I'm praying that God opens up your heart to see how others have been treated on here as newbies. I pray that He blesses you with a child. Good luck with your October IVF cycle.

I'm not digging at you. And most of them post on the PAIF board where anyone can keep up with their progress.

Careful up there on that high horse, it's a long fall.

Mitzi Bishi · July 2012

Carebear12303:
Thanks Kdg teacher, you just proved my point. You are wrong. There were two girls just last week on here who posted twice in here about their BFP's. They were here for a bit. Personally being someone who is struggling with Infertility I would like for those woman to come back and update us on their progress, it just shows there is success with infertility. I would love to see them post in here to remind myself and others that there is always hope.

I am sorry that you feel the need to keep digging at me.......I'm praying that God opens up your heart to see how others have been treated on here as newbies. I pray that He blesses you with a child. Good luck with your October IVF cycle.

No need to be so hypocrytical, Carebear. It's obvious you are very sensitive and we all certainly have our moments, which IF only amplifies from time to time, but trying to prove your point and call Kdg "wrong" is awfully patronizing. It seems to me that people were merely trying to draw attention to the fact that using insurance self servingly, asking for drugs, and the like are in fact illegal. Astonishingly people supported the OP's ideas, which aren't so well thought out. That's the kind of crap that makes it two steps forward, one step back for IF getting any kind of compassion and recognition.

While it's nice that it gives you hope to hear of other people's successes it is not bearing on what happens to any of us. Sure, we are all happy when people do finally have success and this is a very supportive and knowledgeable community, but going on the attack and then bringing religion into it is absolutely not necessary. Again, it's condescending.

We all want children, we all are struggling, but when someone comes in stomping their feet and acting immature it is very difficult to take them seriously.

Carebear12303 · July 2012

Mitzi thanks for sharing your thoughts. I do not believe anyone came in here stomping their feet. These new people just want the same respect and I am not seeing that. I am not speaking about myself I am speaking about the other newbies I have seen in this forum. Ive have seen these newbies get hurt really bad by some of these woman who have been on here for quite some time. Its not right.

As for me stating that kdgteacher was wrong, she was wrong in what she said. And yes I believe it does give us all hope that one day we could all have that future.

As for bringing religion into this.....religion? I don't belong to a cult, I have a personal relationship with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He is the one who is with me through all of this and I seek Him to get me through this. I will continue praying for all of you ladies as I know how you are all feeling........

As for compassion and recognition, I choose to have the same compassion my Lord did for everyone. No one seemed to notice below that I had apologized for my ignorance in not knowing that indeed it would be fraud because people only want to concentrate on the negative. Well He has forgiven me for my mistake and I hope in the future you all will too.

Carebear12303 · July 2012

Yes you are digging at me or else you wouldn't be picking various parts of my paragraph and critiquing it even when I apologized for my false statement on fraud. Who is on a high horse? Because I choose to follow my Savior? Thats just an excuse everyone seems to use. Yes it is a long fall and I know from experience and my God knows what I have gone through to get back up again and if I fall again, I will once again, get back up again, its called having Faith.

KdgTeacher · July 2012

Carebear12303:

As for me stating that kdgteacher was wrong, she was wrong in what she said. And yes I believe it does give us all hope that one day we could all have that future.

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What was I wrong about? You may not like what I say (or even how it is stated), but that doesn't mean what I say is wrong. Sometimes the truth is hard to hear, but that again doesn't make it wrong.

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