Clicky: Will you circumcise if you have a boy?

TeamReed · July 2010

just wanted to see what the general opinion was.[Poll]

Jillygirl78 · July 2010

Heck no! No medical reason to do it. I would never do cosmetic surgery on a baby. Studies show they remember the pain and have trouble trusting their mother after that. So sad!

JBrianne · July 2010

I told daddy he gets the vote on this one because I don't have a penis

angelnumber8 · July 2010

Lil girl coming, but I have circumsiced my son. I don't believe it breaks the trust bond issue with mom. Seriously. I'm sure it is more painful to have it done later in life. If a baby remembered every ounce of pain they woiuld never bond with us.Being born has to be painful too, getting smushed thru a birthcanal,having forceps used, poked and prodded after birth. It is a personal family choice. That I'm sure every parents with sons has thought long and hard about.

katie277s · July 2010

Jillygirl78:
Heck no! No medical reason to do it. I would never do cosmetic surgery on a baby. Studies show they remember the pain and have trouble trusting their mother after that. So sad!

Well I circumcised my DS, and he doesn't seem to have any trust issues with me. I plan on doing it with this LO as well.

newly_naugler · July 2010

I wouldn't anyway, but where I live they don't do it. Only for medical reasons, and that's usually later in life with lots of pain meds.

Wilwarin · July 2010

If it ain't broke...

mghnmouse · July 2010

Wilwarin:
If it ain't broke...

LOL, I LOVE this!!!

Stacyc625 · July 2010

JBrianne:

I told daddy he gets the vote on this one because I don't have a penis

ditto.

Wilwarin · July 2010

Oh, and to answer your question from the other thread, Reed, my husband is circumsised. We are of the opinion that my husband's penis has nothing to do with my son's.

ilovelife · July 2010

Jillygirl78:
Heck no! No medical reason to do it. I would never do cosmetic surgery on a baby. Studies show they remember the pain and have trouble trusting their mother after that. So sad!

What study are you reading?

missthick · July 2010

JBrianne:

I told daddy he gets the vote on this one because I don't have a penis

Yes

coltsfan_jen · July 2010

Jillygirl78:
Heck no! No medical reason to do it. I would never do cosmetic surgery on a baby. Studies show they remember the pain and have trouble trusting their mother after that. So sad!

...Yes, I think all circumcised baby boys hate their mothers... *sarcasm*

Sareclark · July 2010

Jillygirl78:
Heck no! No medical reason to do it. I would never do cosmetic surgery on a baby. Studies show they remember the pain and have trouble trusting their mother after that. So sad!

Really? What studies are these?

Do these studies appear in peer reviewed journals? Were they performed by legitimate doctors? Are the statistics sound?

I find this as ridiculous as the belief that birth causes trauma that lasts the rest of the child's life.

Since my husband is a doctor, and I have spoken to multiple doctors (as well as reading peer reviewed journal articles, not opinions from the internet) my DH and I have decided to circumcise any sons we have.

delg23 · July 2010

Wilwarin:
Oh, and to answer your question from the other thread, Reed, my husband is circumsised. We are of the opinion that my husband's penis has nothing to do with my son's.

lol.

I asked my husband about this a couple minutes ago and he said that a little boys penis in size & shape is so different from an adult penis he doesn't think it would bother our son if they were different.

I'm 99% sure we aren't. I know I'm close & need to be sure! This has been an issue I have been struggling w/ because everything I hear from either side seems so exaggerated and one sided w/ an agenda to justify a decision already made. I think many of the reasons to circumcise are trivial (like girls won't like it) but I also think the whole bonding-pain issue is exaggerated. Many circumcised boys bond quite well w/ their moms. My husband was not traumatized. That being said, I don't see a compelling reason to circumcise and would rather not cause the pain to my baby whether he remembers it or not.

chicagoshannon · July 2010

Jillygirl78:
Heck no! No medical reason to do it. I would never do cosmetic surgery on a baby. Studies show they remember the pain and have trouble trusting their mother after that. So sad!

We won't be doing it because there is no medical necessity. BUT I've been in on circ's (I'm a nurse) and the babies are NOT traumatized and they do NOT remember it. To say that they have trouble trusting their mother is just absurd!

melzer14 · July 2010

coltsfan_jen:
Jillygirl78:
Heck no! No medical reason to do it. I would never do cosmetic surgery on a baby. Studies show they remember the pain and have trouble trusting their mother after that. So sad!
...Yes, I think all circumcised baby boys hate their mothers... *sarcasm*

Yes Yes

Those must be some crazy people doing those studies. That is just crazy. Yes because he will know that I made the decision?

CamFam · July 2010

Jillygirl78:
Heck no! No medical reason to do it. I would never do cosmetic surgery on a baby. Studies show they remember the pain and have trouble trusting their mother after that. So sad!

Really? News to me...and I have a Masters in Early Childhood. Confused

McKenna04 · July 2010

Jillygirl78:
Heck no! No medical reason to do it. I would never do cosmetic surgery on a baby. Studies show they remember the pain and have trouble trusting their mother after that. So sad!

Not true, research shows that circumcision reduces certain infections, including HIV & other STD's (and reduces transmission of STD's to partners)

& Because of a baby's immature brain development, he doesn't process pain the same way we do- bottom line, he isn't going to remember.

tiggergirl0325 · July 2010

Jillygirl78:
Studies show they remember the pain and have trouble trusting their mother after that. So sad!

Um yea, I'd LOVE to see that scientifically sound, peer-based study. My son is circ'd (because I DID DO MY RESEARCH and chose to err on the side of the documented medical benefits, regardless of how slight they may be) and he is a momma's boy all the way!! If this one had been a boy, we would have done the same. He was numbed with a cream and showed no signs of discomfort for the week it took to heal.

Mrs.Rose · July 2010

Jillygirl78:
Heck no! No medical reason to do it. I would never do cosmetic surgery on a baby. Studies show they remember the pain and have trouble trusting their mother after that. So sad!

So do babies who have other surgeries not trust their moms as well? I bet you would be hard pressed to explain to an infant which procedures he should trust mom after.

It is one thing to decide against circ'ing, but quite another to spout off on stuff you clearly have not researched and do not understand.

plunderb · July 2010

We're having a girl, but before we found out, we decided we would not circumcise a boy. We aren't religious and found no compelling medical reason to do it, so it just didn't make sense to use.

Beyond that, it seems like an important issue of bodily autonomy. I think that permanent body modification should be up to the person living in the body. In that same vein, I would not allow a doctor to perform a "corrective" surgery if my child (male or female) had genitals that were in any way different from what the doctor considers normal. Surgery to facilitate function = yes. Cosmetic surgery = no.

Emattsmom · July 2010

Sure will. We did with our first and will do it again with this LO

Nightrise1 · July 2010

Jillygirl78:
Heck no! No medical reason to do it. I would never do cosmetic surgery on a baby. Studies show they remember the pain and have trouble trusting their mother after that. So sad!

This is the convo I just had with my husband:

Me: Do you have issues trusting your mother?

DH: No, why?

Me: Because you're circumcised. Haven't you heard of that study? You work in a hospital and talk to doctors all the time and you've NEVER heard that if you're circumcised at birth you'll have issues trusting your mother???

DH: *rolls eyes* The crap they post...

My thing is, to each his/her own. Everyone has a reason for either doing it or not doing it and that's fine.

I'm with what someone else said. I don't have a penis so I left it up to my husband. We will be getting him circumcised.

themrsC · July 2010

Jillygirl78:
Heck no! No medical reason to do it. I would never do cosmetic surgery on a baby. Studies show they remember the pain and have trouble trusting their mother after that. So sad!

*Rolling eyes*... yeah, that sounds completely legit.

I'm sure her research runs really deep- and shame on mommies who feed their babies "poison in a can" (see her sig). Please.

KG91705 · July 2010

We circumcised DS#1 and now he's very attached to me than his dad. So i don't know which studies you were refering too. We plan to do the same with #2.

argonne · July 2010

We have decided not to. DH is NOT circed (born and raised in England where it is not popular). There is no sound medical reason for doing it and I see it as a cosmetic procedure. I also think I will have my hands full enough with a new baby, much less one that's in pain as well. Yes, they do feel the pain and it is painful until it heals.

MassageMomma2010 · July 2010

Wilwarin:
If it ain't broke...

MassageMomma2010 · July 2010

Wilwarin:
If it ain't broke...

Truer words have never been typed.

adryt86 · July 2010

For me and my husband personally, we have found through research that circumcision contributes to much cleaner personal hygiene and keeping that area less infected throughout life. Also, I work for a hospice and a lot of the older men I take care of are not circumcised and to be able to pull back all that foreskin (it gets kind of herniated and long as they get older) can be difficult and as a result, they are at risk for many more infections. I will circumcise my son (if we have one) because I do not want him to have an increase in infections when he is older. It really is a difficulty/problem in my field of work.

jenanded · July 2010

JBrianne:
I told daddy he gets the vote on this one because I don't have a penis

This for me. He voted for circumcision.

delg23 · July 2010

lissa_emily:
Lurking from 2nd tri. I voted yes. My whole family is females and I honestly was stressing out about getting it done. Finally I told my DH that it's his decision since I have no idea. He wants our son to get it done. I asked him why (since he is not circumcised) and he said "If I could get it done now, I would. I thought about getting it done when I was in my 20's, and I do not want my son to grow up wishing his parents would of done it."

So, yes we are getting it done. It's our option, and our decision and we are happy with it.

Why does he wish he had it done? Just curious about people's personal experiences. thx

Ali9381 · July 2010

Jillygirl78:
Heck no! No medical reason to do it. I would never do cosmetic surgery on a baby. Studies show they remember the pain and have trouble trusting their mother after that. So sad!

This made me giggle, thanks! You know I totally remember everything from the second I was born so this must be true.

Jillygirl78 · July 2010

watch a video of a baby being circumcised and tell me that's natural. a baby who was safe in your womb for 9-10 months is strapped down to a hard piece of plastic, in a cold room, and no one is there to sooth him. Oh and here are studies explaining the long lasting effects. AND I WAS STATING MY OPINION. Researchers Demonstrate Traumatic Effects of CircumcisionA team of Canadian researchers produced new evidence that circumcision has long-lasting traumatic effects. An article published in the international medical journal The Lancet reported the effect of infant circumcision on pain response during subsequent routine vaccination. The researchers tested 87 infants at 4 months or 6 months of age. The boys who had been circumcised were more sensitive to pain than the uncircumcised boys. Differences between groups were significant regarding facial action, crying time, and assessments of pain.The authors believe that "neonatal circumcision may induce long-lasting changes in infant pain behavior because of alterations in the infant?s central neural processing of painful stimuli." They also write that "the long-term consequences of surgery done without anaesthesia are likely to include post-traumatic stress as well as pain. It is therefore possible that the greater vaccination response in the infants circumcised without anaesthesia may represent an infant analogue of a post-traumatic stress disorder triggered by a traumatic and painful event and re-experienced under similar circumstances of pain during vaccination."Taddio, A. et al., "Effect of Neonatal Circumcision on Pain Response during Subsequent Routine Vaccination," The Lancet 349 (1997): 599?603. Circumcision Study Halted Due to TraumaResearchers found circumcision so traumatic that they ended the study early rather than subject any more infants to the operation without anesthesia. Those infants circumcised without anesthesia experienced not only severe pain, but also an increased risk of choking and difficulty breathing. The findings were published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Up to 96% of infants in some areas of the United States receive no anesthesia during circumcision. No anesthetic currently in use for circumcisions is effective during the most painful parts of the procedure.Lander, J. et al., "Comparison of Ring Block, Dorsal Penile Nerve Block, and Topical Anesthesia for Neonatal Circumcision," JAMA 278 (1997): 2157?2162. Circumcised Penis Requires More Care in Young BoysThe circumcised penis requires more care than the natural penis during the first three years of life, according to a report in the British Journal of Urology. The clinical findings of an American pediatrician showed that circumcised boys were significantly more likely to have skin adhesions, trapped debris, irritated urinary opening, and inflammation of the glans (head of the penis) than were boys with a foreskin. Furthermore, because there are large variations of appearance in circumcised boys, circumcision for cosmetic reasons should be discouraged.Van Howe, R., "Variability in Penile Appearance and Penile Findings: A Prospective Study," BJU 80 (1997): 776?782. Poll of Circumcised Men Reveals HarmA poll of circumcised men published in the British Journal of Urology describes adverse outcomes on men?s health and well-being. Findings showed wide-ranging physical, sexual, and psychological consequences. Some respondents reported prominent scarring and excessive skin loss. Sexual consequences included progressive loss of sensitivity and sexual dysfunction. Emotional distress followed the realization that they were missing a functioning part of their penis. Low-self esteem, resentment, avoidance of intimacy, and depression were also noted.Hammond, T., "A Preliminary Poll of Men Circumcised in Infancy or Childhood," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 85?92 Psychological Effects of Circumcision StudiedAn article titled "The Psychological Impact of Circumcision" reports that circumcision results in behavioral changes in infants and long-term unrecognized psychological effects on men. The piece reviews the medical literature on infants? responses to circumcision and concludes, "there is strong evidence that circumcision is overwhelmingly painful and traumatic." The article notes that infants exhibit behavioral changes after circumcision, and some men have strong feelings of anger, shame, distrust, and grief about having been circumcised. In addition, circumcision has been shown to disrupt the mother-infant bond, and some mothers report significant distress after allowing their son to be circumcised. Psychological factors perpetuate circumcision. According to the author, "defending circumcision requires minimizing or dismissing the harm and producing overstated medical claims about protection from future harm. The ongoing denial requires the acceptance of false beliefs and misunderstanding of facts. These psychological factors affect professionals, members of religious groups, and parents involved in the practice."Expressions from circumcised men are generally lacking because most circumcised men do not understand what circumcision is, emotional repression keeps feelings from awareness, or men may be aware of these feelings but afraid of disclosure.

Jillygirl78 · July 2010

watch a video of a baby being circumcised and tell me that's natural. a baby who was safe in your womb for 9-10 months is strapped down to a hard piece of plastic, in a cold room, and no one is there to sooth him. Oh and here are studies explaining the long lasting effects. AND I WAS STATING MY OPINION. Researchers Demonstrate Traumatic Effects of CircumcisionA team of Canadian researchers produced new evidence that circumcision has long-lasting traumatic effects. An article published in the international medical journal The Lancet reported the effect of infant circumcision on pain response during subsequent routine vaccination. The researchers tested 87 infants at 4 months or 6 months of age. The boys who had been circumcised were more sensitive to pain than the uncircumcised boys. Differences between groups were significant regarding facial action, crying time, and assessments of pain.The authors believe that "neonatal circumcision may induce long-lasting changes in infant pain behavior because of alterations in the infant?s central neural processing of painful stimuli." They also write that "the long-term consequences of surgery done without anaesthesia are likely to include post-traumatic stress as well as pain. It is therefore possible that the greater vaccination response in the infants circumcised without anaesthesia may represent an infant analogue of a post-traumatic stress disorder triggered by a traumatic and painful event and re-experienced under similar circumstances of pain during vaccination."Taddio, A. et al., "Effect of Neonatal Circumcision on Pain Response during Subsequent Routine Vaccination," The Lancet 349 (1997): 599?603. Circumcision Study Halted Due to TraumaResearchers found circumcision so traumatic that they ended the study early rather than subject any more infants to the operation without anesthesia. Those infants circumcised without anesthesia experienced not only severe pain, but also an increased risk of choking and difficulty breathing. The findings were published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Up to 96% of infants in some areas of the United States receive no anesthesia during circumcision. No anesthetic currently in use for circumcisions is effective during the most painful parts of the procedure.Lander, J. et al., "Comparison of Ring Block, Dorsal Penile Nerve Block, and Topical Anesthesia for Neonatal Circumcision," JAMA 278 (1997): 2157?2162. Circumcised Penis Requires More Care in Young BoysThe circumcised penis requires more care than the natural penis during the first three years of life, according to a report in the British Journal of Urology. The clinical findings of an American pediatrician showed that circumcised boys were significantly more likely to have skin adhesions, trapped debris, irritated urinary opening, and inflammation of the glans (head of the penis) than were boys with a foreskin. Furthermore, because there are large variations of appearance in circumcised boys, circumcision for cosmetic reasons should be discouraged.Van Howe, R., "Variability in Penile Appearance and Penile Findings: A Prospective Study," BJU 80 (1997): 776?782. Poll of Circumcised Men Reveals HarmA poll of circumcised men published in the British Journal of Urology describes adverse outcomes on men?s health and well-being. Findings showed wide-ranging physical, sexual, and psychological consequences. Some respondents reported prominent scarring and excessive skin loss. Sexual consequences included progressive loss of sensitivity and sexual dysfunction. Emotional distress followed the realization that they were missing a functioning part of their penis. Low-self esteem, resentment, avoidance of intimacy, and depression were also noted.Hammond, T., "A Preliminary Poll of Men Circumcised in Infancy or Childhood," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 85?92 Psychological Effects of Circumcision StudiedAn article titled "The Psychological Impact of Circumcision" reports that circumcision results in behavioral changes in infants and long-term unrecognized psychological effects on men. The piece reviews the medical literature on infants? responses to circumcision and concludes, "there is strong evidence that circumcision is overwhelmingly painful and traumatic." The article notes that infants exhibit behavioral changes after circumcision, and some men have strong feelings of anger, shame, distrust, and grief about having been circumcised. In addition, circumcision has been shown to disrupt the mother-infant bond, and some mothers report significant distress after allowing their son to be circumcised. Psychological factors perpetuate circumcision. According to the author, "defending circumcision requires minimizing or dismissing the harm and producing overstated medical claims about protection from future harm. The ongoing denial requires the acceptance of false beliefs and misunderstanding of facts. These psychological factors affect professionals, members of religious groups, and parents involved in the practice."Expressions from circumcised men are generally lacking because most circumcised men do not understand what circumcision is, emotional repression keeps feelings from awareness, or men may be aware of these feelings but afraid of disclosure.

McKenna04 · July 2010

Jillygirl78:
watch a video of a baby being circumcised and tell me that's natural. a baby who was safe in your womb for 9-10 months is strapped down to a hard piece of plastic, in a cold room, and no one is there to sooth him. Oh and here are studies explaining the long lasting effects. AND I WAS STATING MY OPINION. Researchers Demonstrate Traumatic Effects of CircumcisionA team of Canadian researchers produced new evidence that circumcision has long-lasting traumatic effects. An article published in the international medical journal The Lancet reported the effect of infant circumcision on pain response during subsequent routine vaccination. The researchers tested 87 infants at 4 months or 6 months of age. The boys who had been circumcised were more sensitive to pain than the uncircumcised boys. Differences between groups were significant regarding facial action, crying time, and assessments of pain.The authors believe that "neonatal circumcision may induce long-lasting changes in infant pain behavior because of alterations in the infant?s central neural processing of painful stimuli." They also write that "the long-term consequences of surgery done without anaesthesia are likely to include post-traumatic stress as well as pain. It is therefore possible that the greater vaccination response in the infants circumcised without anaesthesia may represent an infant analogue of a post-traumatic stress disorder triggered by a traumatic and painful event and re-experienced under similar circumstances of pain during vaccination."Taddio, A. et al., "Effect of Neonatal Circumcision on Pain Response during Subsequent Routine Vaccination," The Lancet 349 (1997): 599?603. Circumcision Study Halted Due to TraumaResearchers found circumcision so traumatic that they ended the study early rather than subject any more infants to the operation without anesthesia. Those infants circumcised without anesthesia experienced not only severe pain, but also an increased risk of choking and difficulty breathing. The findings were published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Up to 96% of infants in some areas of the United States receive no anesthesia during circumcision. No anesthetic currently in use for circumcisions is effective during the most painful parts of the procedure.Lander, J. et al., "Comparison of Ring Block, Dorsal Penile Nerve Block, and Topical Anesthesia for Neonatal Circumcision," JAMA 278 (1997): 2157?2162. Circumcised Penis Requires More Care in Young BoysThe circumcised penis requires more care than the natural penis during the first three years of life, according to a report in the British Journal of Urology. The clinical findings of an American pediatrician showed that circumcised boys were significantly more likely to have skin adhesions, trapped debris, irritated urinary opening, and inflammation of the glans (head of the penis) than were boys with a foreskin. Furthermore, because there are large variations of appearance in circumcised boys, circumcision for cosmetic reasons should be discouraged.Van Howe, R., "Variability in Penile Appearance and Penile Findings: A Prospective Study," BJU 80 (1997): 776?782. Poll of Circumcised Men Reveals HarmA poll of circumcised men published in the British Journal of Urology describes adverse outcomes on men?s health and well-being. Findings showed wide-ranging physical, sexual, and psychological consequences. Some respondents reported prominent scarring and excessive skin loss. Sexual consequences included progressive loss of sensitivity and sexual dysfunction. Emotional distress followed the realization that they were missing a functioning part of their penis. Low-self esteem, resentment, avoidance of intimacy, and depression were also noted.Hammond, T., "A Preliminary Poll of Men Circumcised in Infancy or Childhood," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 85?92 Psychological Effects of Circumcision StudiedAn article titled "The Psychological Impact of Circumcision" reports that circumcision results in behavioral changes in infants and long-term unrecognized psychological effects on men. The piece reviews the medical literature on infants? responses to circumcision and concludes, "there is strong evidence that circumcision is overwhelmingly painful and traumatic." The article notes that infants exhibit behavioral changes after circumcision, and some men have strong feelings of anger, shame, distrust, and grief about having been circumcised. In addition, circumcision has been shown to disrupt the mother-infant bond, and some mothers report significant distress after allowing their son to be circumcised. Psychological factors perpetuate circumcision. According to the author, "defending circumcision requires minimizing or dismissing the harm and producing overstated medical claims about protection from future harm. The ongoing denial requires the acceptance of false beliefs and misunderstanding of facts. These psychological factors affect professionals, members of religious groups, and parents involved in the practice."
Expressions from circumcised men are generally lacking because most circumcised men do not understand what circumcision is, emotional repression keeps feelings from awareness, or men may be aware of these feelings but afraid of disclosure.

You must be really bored.

Jillygirl78 · July 2010

you must be to! : )

Jillygirl78 · July 2010

lol....1,026 views!!! I LOVE IT!!!!

Next topic: formula vs breastmilk

formula= poison..... GO!!!

mmdd20 · July 2010

JBrianne:
I told daddy he gets the vote on this one because I don't have a penis

THIS exactly.

mmdd20 · July 2010

JBrianne:
I told daddy he gets the vote on this one because I don't have a penis

THIS exactly.

sweetlttdevl · July 2010

adryt86:
For me and my husband personally, we have found through research that circumcision contributes to much cleaner personal hygiene and keeping that area less infected throughout life. Also, I work for a hospice and a lot of the older men I take care of are not circumcised and to be able to pull back all that foreskin (it gets kind of herniated and long as they get older) can be difficult and as a result, they are at risk for many more infections. I will circumcise my son (if we have one) because I do not want him to have an increase in infections when he is older. It really is a difficulty/problem in my field of work.

How many problems do you have with your labia/vagina? Do you find it hard to care for? Do you wish you could cut it off/sew it up to reduce your risk of infection?

Well guess what, you as a woman are still MANY MANY times more likely to develop infections and problems than the average intact man, assuming you don't cause the problems by forceful retraction or overuse of harsh chemicals. And if it 'does' cause problems later on in life (less than 1% of uncircumcised men will ever *need* to be circumcised) he can get adequate pain relief.

In the school of thought that we should remove body parts to prevent disease the removal of breast buds should be at the top of that list since the average woman has a 1 in 8 lifetime risk of getting breast cancer.

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