August 2013 Moms

News Story: couple requests abortion because of gender

Has anyone else heard this story?!?!

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/04/29/05/23/doctorrefusedtohelpcoupleseekingabortion

A doctor in Australia is in danger of losing his license because he refused to refer a couple for an abortion they requested when they found out at their 19 WEEK a/s scan that the baby is a girl and not the boy that they wanted.

This literally makes my stomach feel sick. If they continue the pregnancy, I can only hope to god they give that poor baby girl up for adoption.

Edited.. I just read a follow up story that they already got the abortion. I'm going to go throw up now.
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  • Wow that is awful. Just makes me want to cry knowing so many people out there would have adored that poor baby! 

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  • I'm just really hoping that is not the entire story. That is absolutely disgusting and I'm glad that doctor didn't help them if their reasoning was truly only that it was a girl.

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  • image BreanneL24:
    I'm just really hoping that is not the entire story. That is absolutely disgusting and I'm glad that doctor didn't help them if their reasoning was truly only that it was a girl.


    It really sounds like that's all there was to their reasoning. One article I read said they were very honest about that being the only reason.
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    Hannah Evelyn 8.19.13
  • That is absolutely disgusting!
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  • This is just sick. People like that should not be parents, ever. I love that we have so many tools at our disposal during pregnancy (A/S scans, MaterniT21, etc) but this type of stuff is the downside to it.

     

  • Can you point to a source that says he might lose his license? I haven't seen that claim in any news source that was not an anti-abortion advocacy site. In fact, the mainstream press is reporting that most doctors refuse those requests.

    The doctor also notes that, "it was the husband who did all the talking - he was so insistent," which suggests to me that there is coercion going on here. It's hard to imagine how difficult it must be to be a woman in a situation where your husband and/or community is pressuring (and perhaps coercing) you into sex-selective abortion. I can even imagine being relieved to spare a daughter the pain of being treated that way. Not that I am pro-sex-selective-abortion, but there seems to be more here: coercion and no actual danger that the doctor will lose his license.

  • image lindsey61811:
    I just read a follow up story that they already got the abortion. I'm going to go throw up now.

    ditto

     

     
             Baby C - 08.23.13
  • image plunderb:

    Can you point to a source that says he might lose his license? I haven't seen that claim in any news source that was not an anti-abortion advocacy site. In fact, the mainstream press is reporting that most doctors refuse those requests.

    The doctor also notes that, "it was the husband who did all the talking - he was so insistent," which suggests to me that there is coercion going on here. It's hard to imagine how difficult it must be to be a woman in a situation where your husband and/or community is pressuring (and perhaps coercing) you into sex-selective abortion. I can even imagine being relieved to spare a daughter the pain of being treated that way. Not that I am pro-sex-selective-abortion, but there seems to be more here: coercion and no actual danger that the doctor will lose his license.

    Yes, but couldn't you also spare your daughter that pain by leaving this man? I understand that there could be some mental abuse going on, but ultimately we all make choices.

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  • This really makes me sick... Why would you kill that little angel just because it wast the gender you wanted?!! Some people are beyond selfish.
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  • That's why there is a push to take away telling people the sex of the baby before birth. If you think this doesn't happen in the USA and Canada, you're wrong. It happens every day. There are certain cultures in which having a boy is really, really important and supporting all those girls to have it the old fashioned way takes too many kids.

    I would give up my "right" to know what I'm having if it would stop sex selecting abortions. I generally support a woman's right to choose, but this issue really makes me angry and sad. 

  • Here is a better, updated source on this.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/couple-abort-girl-because-they-wanted-a-boy/story-e6frg6n6-1226630789932

     

    That said, I'm not surprised, this is not a new practice, it's done in places like China fairly often. It's really only shocking because it's a white, developed, English-speaking country.

    Abortion is legal in the US until 24 weeks, so I wouldn't doubt it's done here more often than is talked about as well. I know when we went for our elective gender scan the lady said she gets yelled at a couple of times a week on average from people finding out the gender wasn't what they wanted.

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  • In America it's completely legal to anort based on the baby being a girl. In India it's illegal to abort based on gender. So much for us being so advanced in women's rights, huh? It's terrible! Doc did the right thing.
  • That is horrible. If they were that concerned about the gender they should have looked into  fertility treatment to select the sex of the baby. I am not sure if that is truly possible and I am against it, but it is far better than the alternative.
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  • image kennazebrowsky:
    That is horrible. If they were that concerned about the gender they should have looked into  fertility treatment to select the sex of the baby. I am not sure if that is truly possible and I am against it, but it is far better than the alternative.

    It is possible and people spend large amounts of money on this. However, it is still not 100% guaranteed. In America, it seems the greater demand is actually for girls, which is interesting.

    I really don't understand gender selection.

    ETA: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/09/sex_selection_in_babies_through_pgd_americans_are_paying_to_have_daughters_rather_than_sons_.html

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  • I had a nurse tell me that she has seen this happen for herself which just broke my heart.  I can't imagine loving my LO any less either way!!
  • I live in Canada and we aren't allowed to find out the sex at the ultrasound appointment anymore. They stopped it awhile ago because certain races that are now living here tend to do that. It's disturbing. We had to wait for our doctor to tell us, which was only a day later. People are sick
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  • image MrsCaseyK:
    In America it's completely legal to anort based on the baby being a girl. In India it's illegal to abort based on gender. So much for us being so advanced in women's rights, huh? It's terrible! Doc did the right thing.

    That's because in India abortions based on gender are fairly common.  Having a girl can bankrupt a family when she gets married b/c of the dowry she has to pay the future son in law's family. Therefore, they don't want girls and finding out the gender is illegal.  Big difference!

    It IS illegal there...but not b/c they're a more advanced society.  And in the OP, she stated this happened in Australia, not the US.  

     
             Baby C - 08.23.13
  • image plunderb:
    Can you point to a source that says he might lose his license? I haven't seen that claim in any news source that was not an antiabortion advocacy site. In fact, the mainstream press is reporting that most doctors refuse those requests.The doctor also notes that, "it was the husband who did all the talking he was so insistent," which suggests to me that there is coercion going on here. It's hard to imagine how difficult it must be to be a woman in a situation where your husband and/or community is pressuring and perhaps coercing you into sexselective abortion. I can even imagine being relieved to spare a daughter the pain of being treated that way. Not that I am prosexselectiveabortion, but there seems to be more here: coercion and no actual danger that the doctor will lose his license.


    I'm not positive.. I looked at so many different articles. I know information gets twisted and dramatized so its totally likely that that part isn't completely accurate.
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    Hannah Evelyn 8.19.13
  • I bless this couple with many more pregnancies of baby girls... I'd wish infertility on them, but that just seems wrong....
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  • image MammaBear81:
    I bless this couple with many more pregnancies of baby girls... I'd wish infertility on them, but that just seems wrong....

    That sounds like torture for the woman. I can't get behind this curse ? can you imagine getting pregnant multiple times and being pressured, berated, or even beaten by your husband or family because your babies are girls? I don't see how this sort of thinking advances respect for women. The whole thing seems like a horrible situation for the woman as well as the unwanted daughters.

  • image MammaBear81:
    I bless this couple with many more pregnancies of baby girls... I'd wish infertility on them, but that just seems wrong....


    You do realize she had an abortion because this one was a girl, right? I wouldn't doubt that she would continue to do so until having a boy.
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    image MammaBear81:
    I bless this couple with many more pregnancies of baby girls... I'd wish infertility on them, but that just seems wrong....

    That sounds like torture for the woman. I can't get behind this curse ? can you imagine getting pregnant multiple times and being pressured, berated, or even beaten by your husband or family because your babies are girls? I don't see how this sort of thinking advances respect for women. The whole thing seems like a horrible situation for the woman as well as the unwanted daughters.

    She does not have to stay with her husband, she made a choice.  She will make an "advancement of respect for women" when she stands up for herself and leaves that SOB.  I am hoping they never get that "baby boy" they want because then that child will grow up around that horrible man, and learn the same disrespect that his father is pressuring his wife with.  As another poster said, some people should not be parents.

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    image MammaBear81:
    I bless this couple with many more pregnancies of baby girls... I'd wish infertility on them, but that just seems wrong....
    You do realize she had an abortion because this one was a girl, right? I wouldn't doubt that she would continue to do so until having a boy.

    Yes, I do, I hope they never have a baby boy so they don't have the chance to teach him to be disrespectful and have his wife abort all of her baby girls as well.

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    image plunderb:

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    I bless this couple with many more pregnancies of baby girls... I'd wish infertility on them, but that just seems wrong....

    That sounds like torture for the woman. I can't get behind this curse ? can you imagine getting pregnant multiple times and being pressured, berated, or even beaten by your husband or family because your babies are girls? I don't see how this sort of thinking advances respect for women. The whole thing seems like a horrible situation for the woman as well as the unwanted daughters.

    She does not have to stay with her husband, she made a choice.  She will make an "advancement of respect for women" when she stands up for herself and leaves that SOB.  I am hoping they never get that "baby boy" they want because then that child will grow up around that horrible man, and learn the same disrespect that his father is pressuring his wife with.  As another poster said, some people should not be parents.

    Agreed.

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  • image MammaBear81:

    image lindsey61811:
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    I bless this couple with many more pregnancies of baby girls... I'd wish infertility on them, but that just seems wrong....
    You do realize she had an abortion because this one was a girl, right? I wouldn't doubt that she would continue to do so until having a boy.

    Yes, I do, I hope they never have a baby boy so they don't have the chance to teach him to be disrespectful and have his wife abort all of her baby girls as well.

    That's fine. That's not what you said, though. You said, "I bless this couple with many more pregnancies of baby girls." And that is just cruel.

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    image lindsey61811:
    image MammaBear81:
    I bless this couple with many more pregnancies of baby girls... I'd wish infertility on them, but that just seems wrong....
    You do realize she had an abortion because this one was a girl, right? I wouldn't doubt that she would continue to do so until having a boy.

    Yes, I do, I hope they never have a baby boy so they don't have the chance to teach him to be disrespectful and have his wife abort all of her baby girls as well.

    That's fine. That's not what you said, though. You said, "I bless this couple with many more pregnancies of baby girls." And that is just cruel.

    Well, you only have two choices when having a baby, boy or girl.. hoping they never have a baby boy is the same as hoping that they only get pregnant with girls... OR I could say I wish they never get pregnant again, but I think THAT is cruel.  Infertility is a horrible thing to go through, and I'd never wish that on anyone, choosing to abort your child because it's a certain gender, it is their choice to be "cruel" to themselves... it's like shooting yourself in the foot, repeatedly, you only have yourself to blame for your pain and suffering.

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  • Unfortunately this happens a lot in certain cultures. I am from BC (Canada) and they won't tell you the gender before 20 weeks because of this. Even if you go to an elective place they are still legally not supposed to tell you, although some shadier places might tell you. A lot of people from these cultures go down to the United States ( we are very close to the border) and get elective ultrasounds and then come back up here and get abortions (where they are free) In fact some of the American elective ultrasound places advertise in our Ethnic Newspapers. (Ie. "Get a boy this time!! Come get the earliest answers!")


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