February 2013 Moms

Would you have survived? PP Poll

It annoys me that I still can't make the clicky polls work. I thought I saw one on another board a couple of weeks ago, but when I click on the option, it doesn't do anything. Oh well.

So a non-clicky poll. Warning: For those who have not yet given birth, you might not want to read this yet.

My question: If you had given birth 100 years ago, would you have survived?

In a clicky poll I would have given the options:

- Yes, definitely, as I had no interventions / complications.

- Probably yes, but I'm not certain since I had interventions/complications

- Really no clue since my interventions/complications could have gone either way

- Probably not, but I might have had a fighting chance

- Definitely not. Without modern medicine, I couldn't have survived.

- SS


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Re: Would you have survived? PP Poll

  • Short answer: Probably not.

    Longer answer:

    First off, I wouldn't have been alive to even have DD2 because with DD1 I'm about 99.9% sure I would have died. I had HELLP and my body showed no signs of getting DD1 out on its own. My BP was sky high as were my liver enzymes, and without a diagnosis and c/s, there's no way I would have made it. My symptoms were also very vague, and honestly I only think it's because I went to a great university clinic that they recognized it as quickly as they did even in this day and age.

    But let's pretend I did survive the first birth, I'm guessing I probably wouldn't have survived this one, although I would have had a fighting chance, at least. Since my uterus started to rupture during prodromal labor, I cannot imagine it would have held up for active labor. If it had ruptured back then, I doubt I would have lived, although I supposed there would have been a chance.


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  • I would have to say I would probably fall into the
    Really no clue since my interventions/complications could have gone either way
    category.
    I had a c/s since she was breech and I don't know if I would've went into labor on my own. Also I had to have a blood transfusion afterwards. The OB said I could've recovered without one but it would've taken 23 months for my iron to level out to normal levels.

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  • With dd, I don't think she would have survived.  She was a csection due to being breech.  She was a very tiny baby, with a very large head.  and breech vaginal births are safer when the baby is larger, at least that is my understanding.

    With DS, we would have probably have been fine.  My water broke, and I didn't go into labor right away, but I went to the hospital right away.  I was already y over 3cm dilated, and had been having ad contractions the last few nights.  With dd, I was 6 cm dilated not in labor.... So I was a bit nervous that I could have been really dilated, and had my baby on the side of the road.  Glad I went in, once I started contracting, he was here in less than an hor.  Anyways, long story short, while I got pitocin, it probably wouldn't have been necessary and labor would have probably started sooner or later. 

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  • Yes. I had no intervention, unless you count being gbs positive and getting antibiotics
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  • Whether I would have survived is debatable, but I don't think LO would have made it. Not something I like to think about!
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  • Yes. This time around I had no interventions.

    With DS1 I was induced only because I was 2 weeks late. So without intervention he would have been a post-term  baby and perhaps may have had some of those complications.

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  • I've had two uneventful natural births, so I guess I would have survived. I was in a high risk category with my first, but that only meant heavy monitoring and stress, LO was born perfectly healthy when ready.
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  • I think I would have survived the birth, though I had a bad cases of pneumonia while I was pregnant that might very well have killed me.  During birth I did have very high blood pressure but they were able to bring it down as soon as my son was born.  So, probably, but not 100% certain. 

     However, my son was a preemie and I'm really not sure if he would have made it or not.  I've actually thought of that a number of times and realized how blessed I am to live in a time AND a place where I had access to a NICU.  It's not just women a 100 years ago, it's still a huge percentage of women living in third world conditions NOW.

  • Yes, definitely, as I had no interventions / complications.
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  • Yes, I had no interventions (and I mean none, not even an iv, or blood pressure cuff, heart rate etc.)

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  • I would have survived - med/intervention-free birth, short (under 5 hr. labor) and easy recovery.  I feel fortunate!
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  • No clue. I was induced for blood pressure issues and toxemia. Then had a 30 hour induction. Guess it could have gone either way. 
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  • DH and I had this same conversation after watching season 3 of Downton Abbey last week.  I would have survived because I had no intervention.  Holy smokes I wouldn't have wanted to do that without an epi though!!!!
  • Maybe, with good help from other women...

    I had two OP babies, one ended in csection and one with forceps.  However, with a longer allowance for pushing and a skilled midwife, I'd probably have survived.  The interventions I had were more about hospital preferences than about me and baby.

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  • Yes.  I had a homebirth with absolutely no intervention.  I didn't even have an ultrasound.

    I think this poll is hard for the average woman to answer.  There are legitimate cases where women would have died in childbirth, but (please don't flame me) I don't feel all of the emergencies we have now that end up in c/s are actually emergencies.  I think that some doctors don't have the knowledge to birth a breech baby or a large baby (they aren't willing to allow a woman to move around in different positions to help the baby move down, etc.).  I also think that the interventions we choose can cause some of the complications during delivery.  It's just hard to say how differently many of our births would have turned out if we didn't have the interventions.

    ETA - I would have survived my other three births too - and two were OP, one delivered at home.  A skilled midwife makes all the difference.

        
  • Probably, but I would have a mangled vagina.
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  • Yes, definitely.  My only interventions were epidurals with both births.  
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    Yes.  I had a homebirth with absolutely no intervention.  I didn't even have an ultrasound.

    I think this poll is hard for the average woman to answer.  There are legitimate cases where women would have died in childbirth, but (please don't flame me) I don't feel all of the emergencies we have now that end up in c/s are actually emergencies.  I think that some doctors don't have the knowledge to birth a breech baby or a large baby (they aren't willing to allow a woman to move around in different positions to help the baby move down, etc.).  I also think that the interventions we choose can cause some of the complications during delivery.  It's just hard to say how differently many of our births would have turned out if we didn't have the interventions.

    ETA - I would have survived my other three births too - and two were OP, one delivered at home.  A skilled midwife makes all the difference.

    I think for some it's hard to answer, which is why I had the middle 3 categories, but looking at the answers given so far, it looks like there are plenty of us who are pretty certain one way or the other (obviously there's no way to know for sure). Although I think you're right that some emergencies are brought about by interventions or lack of knowledge / fear of lawsuits on the part of the doctors, I think there are plenty of real emergencies. Childbirth wasn't considered risky for nothing.

    ETA: I know that my perception on the risks of childbirth are colored by my experiences, both of which were caught in time but would have been medical emergencies if nothing had been done (although if I hadn't had the first c/s, I wouldn't have had the scar to start rupturing this time, so really this second risky birth was precipitated by the first).


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  • I would have but I don't know that DS would have because his heart rate kept dropping with contractions and dropped at one point for over 2 minutes while I wasn't contracting. I don't think he would have tolerated a full labor and delivery.
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  •  Yes, definitely, as I had no interventions / complications.
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    Although I think you're right that some emergencies are brought about by interventions or lack of knowledge / fear of lawsuits on the part of the doctors, I think there are plenty of real emergencies. Childbirth wasn't considered risky for nothing.

    ETA: I know that my perception on the risks of childbirth are colored by my experiences, both of which were caught in time but would have been medical emergencies if nothing had been done (although if I hadn't had the first c/s, I wouldn't have had the scar to start rupturing this time, so really this second risky birth was precipitated by the first).

    ITA. 

    There are so many other things that would have been different for us 100 years ago too though.  First, our diets.  For many of us, our diets would have been better, as we wouldn't have been eating processed foods our entire lives.  Perhaps that would have made us healthier overall and contributed to a better outcome.  For some of us, our diets would have been worse 100 years ago because we wouldn't have had access to a wide variety of vitamins and minerals.  Perhaps some of us wouldn't have had certain autoimmune issues or other problems that only seem to have become widespread in the last few decades.  Or maybe others of us would have had other diseases in childhood that would have made things more complicated.  

    I think the one thing we can all agree on is that 100 years ago we all would have been more likely to be more active during pregnancy.  For those of us working hard laboring jobs, that would have been a bad thing.  For the others of us who simply walked more or did more chores around the house due to the lack of technology, it probably would have given us better outcomes.

    With decades of increases in intervention, monitoring, increased c/s rates, etc., we aren't seeing better maternal and infant mortality rates in America.  So I'm not sure it's the interventions that make a difference for MOST women.

        
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    Yes. I had no intervention, unless you count being gbs positive and getting antibiotics


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  • This is probably going to be unpopular, but....
    I also think this is a bit of a loaded question. It might be worth mentioning that hand washing only became standard practice in the late 1800's in hospitals. Women were dying more frequently in hospitals because doctors were using contaminated equipment and hands for deliveries. So, at that time home birth was safer.
    I'm also of the belief that many times OB's make birth more dangerous than it otherwise would have been by messing with the process. Epidurals, pitocin, vacuums, forceps, and even oxygen complicate birth. I'm not saying there is no place for things such as cesarean, but I do think that much of the "danger" surrounding birth is avoidable. I also think our diets and poor lifestyle choices play a big part in avoidable risk in birth. Here's some food for thought: birth is as safe as life gets.

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  • image adamwife:
    Yes.nbsp; I had a homebirth with absolutely no intervention.nbsp; I didn't even have an ultrasound.I think this poll is hard for the average woman to answer.nbsp; There are legitimate cases where women would have died in childbirth, but please don't flame me I don't feel all of the emergencies we have now that end up in c/s are actually emergencies.nbsp; I think that some doctors don't have the knowledge to birth a breech baby or a large baby they aren't willing to allow a woman to move around in different positions to help the baby move down, etc..nbsp; I also think that the interventions we choose can cause some of the complications during delivery.nbsp; It's just hard to say how differently many of our births would have turned out if we didn't have the interventions. ETA I would have survived my other three births too and two were OP, one delivered at home.nbsp; A skilled midwife makes all the difference.


    I couldn't agree more!
  • Yes, definitely. I had no problems at all with my pregnancy or birth. In fact, the doctors and nurses were all talking about how it was such a good birth. I have a low pain tolerance though, so without my epi I probably would have thought I wouldn't survive, ha.
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  • DD1- probably, but she might have been in trouble. My water broke without a hint of a contraction after 14 hours, so it depends on how long it would have taken for labor to progress and whether I would have gotten an infection.

    DD2- yes. Her labor went just fine although I did stall at 7cm for about 4 hours and my epidural got things going again. I would imagine that if I had been walking around the hut for a few more hours things would have eventually moved past the plateau. 

  • image IncogNeato:
    DD1 probably, but she might have been in trouble. My water broke without a hint of a contraction after 14 hours, so it depends on how long it would have taken for labor to progress and whether I would have gotten an infection.

    This for me too. And DD would likely not have survived without oxygen and a feeding tube since she was a preemie. Sad to think about!
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  • Yes, definitely both times. This time the only intervention was that my midwife broke my water near the end.


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