March 2013 Moms

Paid Maternity Leave Infographic

Maternity Leave Chart

Really, really, really wishing I was Canadian right now...

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  • Oh yeah, we S-U-C-K in terms of maternity and paternity leave policies.  So much for "family values", huh?  

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  • Yeah, this blows.  I read somewhere recently that in France women also get free exercise classes and "reconstructive" surgery following delivery of a baby, on top of the money they get per child. Not saying I want to go under the knife following delivery, but free gym membership, plus generous leave?  Here we get nothing, many of us don't even have a guarantee that there will be a job for us when we are ready to return. Most women I know decide not to go back to work at all because there is zero financial incentive - the cost of daycare is nearly their entire salaries!
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  • There is a lot more to this...many of these countries have a TON of taxes, like France, to pay for the leave time and other social services. Not supporting our policies, but to just talk about leave and not about tax policies and social services overall skews the picture.
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    There is a lot more to this...many of these countries have a TON of taxes, like France, to pay for the leave time and other social services. Not supporting our policies, but to just talk about leave and not about tax policies and social services overall skews the picture.


    Yes and no. Most of the highest leave countries also base those taxes on income more than the US does. When the scale is better balanced those things tend to more efficiently work themselves out. Proud to be Canadian over here! :
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    There is a lot more to this...many of these countries have a TON of taxes, like France, to pay for the leave time and other social services. Not supporting our policies, but to just talk about leave and not about tax policies and social services overall skews the picture.

    We pay for all of this stuff too...just out of our own pockets.  Americans are very quick to point out the "higher taxes" of countries that have stronger social safety nets and more family friendly policies, but when you add up what Americans spend out of pocket for health care, child care and maternity leave (in lost wages), it's probably about equal to what our European counterparts are paying in higher taxes. 

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  • I'm returning to work about 6 weeks after I deliver (in theory, subject to change)...  The cost of infant care is astronomical, and that comes directly out of my pocket.  It still works out in the family's favor for me to return to work financially, but I would love to be able to take more time off. 
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  • I would be curious to know how "paid" a "paid maternity leave" is. I doubt anyone is getting shafted, but I wonder what the salary percentage is.

    I'd be willing to pay a, for lack of a better term, f*ck of a lot more in taxes if it meant I could stay home a little while longer and not have to deal with child care for awhile. 

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    There is a lot more to this...many of these countries have a TON of taxes, like France, to pay for the leave time and other social services. Not supporting our policies, but to just talk about leave and not about tax policies and social services overall skews the picture.
    Yes and no. Most of the highest leave countries also base those taxes on income more than the US does. When the scale is better balanced those things tend to more efficiently work themselves out. Proud to be Canadian over here! :

    Same here! Although, I unfortunately graduated just prior to getting pregnant and was not working, so no paid mat leave for me! I'll just be livin' off DH's med student loan :) 

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  • In reply to PP who asked how much support some of the countries get while off... 

    I live in Canada and we receive 55% of our salary, up to a maximum of approx. $490/week for 52 weeks.  I'm fortunate in that my employer pays the difference (the remaining 45%) for 22 weeks (called top-up benefits).  So I'll be home for 22 weeks at my full salary, and then at the government paid amount for the remaining 30. My previous employer paid the difference for the entire year, which would be amazing (so you could take the full 52 weeks at 100% salary)!  This isn't typical however.    But even still, I can't complain with the time I'll get to spend at home with my LO!

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  • There is a lot more discrimination against hiring woman in countries where they are getting longer paid leave because the employer has to hold their job until they return, my friends in Germany said that a woman can leave her job for up to 3 years and the employer has to hold it for her.  If I were running a small business I would think twice about hiring a woman if I knew she could get pregnant and I'd have to hold her job for that long, especially in the technology industry where things are constantly changing. 

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    There is a lot more discrimination against hiring woman in countries where they are getting longer paid leave because the employer has to hold their job until they return, my friends in Germany said that a woman can leave her job for up to 3 years and the employer has to hold it for her.  If I were running a small business I would think twice about hiring a woman if I knew she could get pregnant and I'd have to hold her job for that long, especially in the technology industry where things are constantly changing. 

    Wow, way to support your fellow women and mothers.   

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    There is a lot more discrimination against hiring woman in countries where they are getting longer paid leave because the employer has to hold their job until they return, my friends in Germany said that a woman can leave her job for up to 3 years and the employer has to hold it for her.  If I were running a small business I would think twice about hiring a woman if I knew she could get pregnant and I'd have to hold her job for that long, especially in the technology industry where things are constantly changing. 

    Wow, way to support your fellow women and mothers.   

     LOL - I'm not saying it's right. 

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  • Most of those countries are Social Democratic countries.   Around the US Socialism is a bad word.   What I think????   We could learn a few things from these guys and how they do things.   ...just my two cents....
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    In reply to PP who asked how much support some of the countries get while off... 

    I live in Canada and we receive 55% of our salary, up to a maximum of approx. $490/week for 52 weeks.  I'm fortunate in that my employer pays the difference (the remaining 45%) for 22 weeks (called top-up benefits).  So I'll be home for 22 weeks at my full salary, and then at the government paid amount for the remaining 30. My previous employer paid the difference for the entire year, which would be amazing (so you could take the full 52 weeks at 100% salary)!  This isn't typical however.    But even still, I can't complain with the time I'll get to spend at home with my LO!

    This makes me feel better.  I am the only income in my family and we couldn't make it on $490 a week - so I would have to go back to work regardless of where I lived. 

     

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    image MrsRuby2012:

    In reply to PP who asked how much support some of the countries get while off... 

    I live in Canada and we receive 55% of our salary, up to a maximum of approx. $490/week for 52 weeks.  I'm fortunate in that my employer pays the difference (the remaining 45%) for 22 weeks (called top-up benefits).  So I'll be home for 22 weeks at my full salary, and then at the government paid amount for the remaining 30. My previous employer paid the difference for the entire year, which would be amazing (so you could take the full 52 weeks at 100% salary)!  This isn't typical however.    But even still, I can't complain with the time I'll get to spend at home with my LO!

    This makes me feel better.  I am the only income in my family and we couldn't make it on $490 a week - so I would have to go back to work regardless of where I lived. 

     

    Yeah, it's really not a ton.  It's something though. My employer will top up the difference for 16 weeks, then after that the government paid amount will be it, supplemented by savings.  I know that we are very fortunate in this regard.   

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    Oh yeah, we S-U-C-K in terms of maternity and paternity leave policies.  So much for "family values", huh?  
     This. This.  I am Canadian, all my friends are Canadian.  It makes me sick and depressed to hear about their wonderful leave.  Sadface.  

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    There is a lot more discrimination against hiring woman in countries where they are getting longer paid leave because the employer has to hold their job until they return, my friends in Germany said that a woman can leave her job for up to 3 years and the employer has to hold it for her.  If I were running a small business I would think twice about hiring a woman if I knew she could get pregnant and I'd have to hold her job for that long, especially in the technology industry where things are constantly changing. 

    You'd also be an idiot for discriminating against half of the population.  I am from Canada, and don't know of a single instance where one of my women friends felt that they were not hired for jobs because they were women (and I'm a civil engineer, so I work in a male dominated field, to add to that), that is just not the case.   

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  • I'm in Canada and although I work for a decent medium-sized pharma company, they don't top us up at all so all I'll get is what the government offers. Still not complaining though as I'm happy I'll have the time off with the baby.
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    In reply to PP who asked&nbsp;how much&nbsp;support some of the countries get while off...&nbsp;


    I live in Canada and we receive 55% of our salary, up to a maximum of approx. $490/week for 52 weeks.&nbsp; I'm fortunate in that my employer pays the difference (the remaining 45%) for 22 weeks (called top-up benefits).&nbsp; So I'll be home for 22 weeks at my full salary, and then at the government paid amount for the remaining 30. My previous employer paid the difference for the entire year, which would be amazing (so you could take the full 52 weeks at 100% salary)!&nbsp; This isn't typical however.&nbsp; &nbsp; But even still, I can't complain with the time I'll get to spend at home with my LO!



    This makes me feel better.&nbsp; I am the only income in my family and we couldn't make it on $490 a week - so I would have to go back to work regardless of where I lived.&nbsp;


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    The other thing is that you are allowed to work a small amount on mat leave. I don't know offhand what the percentage is but you can make up a portion of the difference. This can also help your workplace cope with your absence but you are still mostly home with your child
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    There is a lot more discrimination against hiring woman in countries where they are getting longer paid leave because the employer has to hold their job until they return, my friends in Germany said that a woman can leave her job for up to 3 years and the employer has to hold it for her.  If I were running a small business I would think twice about hiring a woman if I knew she could get pregnant and I'd have to hold her job for that long, especially in the technology industry where things are constantly changing. 

    You'd also be an idiot for discriminating against half of the population.  I am from Canada, and don't know of a single instance where one of my women friends felt that they were not hired for jobs because they were women (and I'm a civil engineer, so I work in a male dominated field, to add to that), that is just not the case.   

    Thanks for your input, however, I wasn't referring to Canada, I was referring to friends of mine who live in Germany who mentioned that there is discrimination there because of the law requiring employers to hold their jobs for up to 3 years after giving birth.  How long are employers required to hold a woman's job for her in Canada?  Just curious because I didn't think it was up to 3 years.  I agree with you, it isn't right to discriminate against woman but I can see how it can happen.

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    There is a lot more discrimination against hiring woman in countries where they are getting longer paid leave because the employer has to hold their job until they return, my friends in Germany said that a woman can leave her job for up to 3 years and the employer has to hold it for her.&nbsp; If I were running a small business I would think twice about hiring a woman if I knew she could get pregnant and I'd have to hold her job for that long, especially in the technology industry where things are constantly changing.&nbsp;



    You'd also be an idiot for discriminating against half of the population. &nbsp;I am from Canada, and don't know of a single instance where one of my women friends felt that they were not hired for jobs because they were women (and I'm a civil engineer, so I work in a male dominated field, to add to that), that is just not the case. &nbsp;&nbsp;



    Thanks for your input, however, I wasn't referring to Canada, I was referring to friends of mine who live in Germany who mentioned that there is discrimination there because of the law&nbsp;requiring employers to hold their jobs for up to 3 years after giving birth.&nbsp; How long are employers required to hold a woman's job for her in Canada?&nbsp; Just curious because I didn't think it was up to 3 years.&nbsp; I agree with you, it isn't right to discriminate against woman but I can see how it can happen.



    In Canada they have to hold your job until your mat leave is over. Basically you decide to go back or not after your year is up then everyone gets to move on from there. Pretty reasonable :
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    image andrea ri 80:
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    There is a lot more discrimination against hiring woman in countries where they are getting longer paid leave because the employer has to hold their job until they return, my friends in Germany said that a woman can leave her job for up to 3 years and the employer has to hold it for her.&nbsp; If I were running a small business I would think twice about hiring a woman if I knew she could get pregnant and I'd have to hold her job for that long, especially in the technology industry where things are constantly changing.&nbsp;



    You'd also be an idiot for discriminating against half of the population. &nbsp;I am from Canada, and don't know of a single instance where one of my women friends felt that they were not hired for jobs because they were women (and I'm a civil engineer, so I work in a male dominated field, to add to that), that is just not the case. &nbsp;&nbsp;



    Thanks for your input, however, I wasn't referring to Canada, I was referring to friends of mine who live in Germany who mentioned that there is discrimination there because of the law&nbsp;requiring employers to hold their jobs for up to 3 years after giving birth.&nbsp; How long are employers required to hold a woman's job for her in Canada?&nbsp; Just curious because I didn't think it was up to 3 years.&nbsp; I agree with you, it isn't right to discriminate against woman but I can see how it can happen.



    In Canada they have to hold your job until your mat leave is over. Basically you decide to go back or not after your year is up then everyone gets to move on from there. Pretty reasonable :
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    image MrsRuby2012:

    In reply to PP who asked how much support some of the countries get while off... 

    I live in Canada and we receive 55% of our salary, up to a maximum of approx. $490/week for 52 weeks.  I'm fortunate in that my employer pays the difference (the remaining 45%) for 22 weeks (called top-up benefits).  So I'll be home for 22 weeks at my full salary, and then at the government paid amount for the remaining 30. My previous employer paid the difference for the entire year, which would be amazing (so you could take the full 52 weeks at 100% salary)!  This isn't typical however.    But even still, I can't complain with the time I'll get to spend at home with my LO!

    This makes me feel better.  I am the only income in my family and we couldn't make it on $490 a week - so I would have to go back to work regardless of where I lived. 

     

    Me too!  Sad how I feel better knowing this!  But seriously, less than $500 is not going to pay for our mortgage, bills, et al.  Being the breadwinner on a teacher's salary bites, but I could not do it on $500!

    But...we still do need to change things stateside!  I will be taking 6 wks paid but only because I have accrued ebough sick days to cover it.  Lets just hope there is not sick days needed in my future post-birth!

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