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To circumcise or not to circumcise ...

To all the moms having baby boys -- Are you planning to circumcise your new little boy? If so, are you going to be in the room during the procedure? I've also heard some hospitals give a vitamin K shot before the procedure. Do you feel the shot is necessary? I'm just trying to get an idea of what other moms are planning. Thanks for everyones insight!! Smile

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  • We did not circumcise DS and if this baby were a boy, we will not circumcise. You are going to get a ton of comments about this and it's a very controversial topic. Do your research. Watch a video of the procedure. The benefits are hazy, but there are some real risks involved as with any surgery. IMO, it's a cosmetic procedure. I was told that hospitals will make sure your child has the hep B vax before the procedure just in case there is need for a blood transfusion. I don't know, it was all very clear for me. My H is circumcised and felt very strongly that we not circ our children. I started doing research and was soon very happy to leave our children intact. I couldn't even watch the procedure. How could I do that to our child? Why would I take risks with a newborn? It's HIS body and if he wants to go ahead and get it done later on, so be it.

    Also, as a mother of an intact son, I will tell you that it's so easy to take care of. There is no care involved. You clean the penis like a finger.

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    Its not just a cosmetic issue!  I hate that!  Its a cleanliness issue.  I know several grown men who were not circumsiced and have had issues.  Ask your pediatricians opinion and the pros and cons rather than an internet board or google.  Oh and as for watching a video, he is not going to remember it so pain is not an issue.  

    Sorry, it just drives me nuts for people to say its just cosmetic, its not! 

    ETA:  Leaving it with the idea that he can do it later is terrible.  He will remember the pain later and it won't be pleasant. 

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  • we did not circumcise DS nor will we be circumcising this lil guy.

     

    With regard to Vitamin K, yes, your kiddo should absolutely get that prior to the procedure.  It helps with blood clotting, so its added insurance that they don't bleed too much.


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    OP, you're definitely a newbie. This topic, especially worded in the way you have, will open a can of worms. You need to do some research and decide on your own. You'll get some strong opinions for either side here that won't necessarily help your decision.

    FWIW, I'm having a boy and do plan on having him circumcised. My husband will be taking him as they don't do the procedure here in the hospital. As for the vitamin K shot, if the hospital routinely gives it then I'm not going to object.

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    Its not just a cosmetic issue!  I hate that!  Its a cleanliness issue.  I know several grown men who were not circumsiced and have had issues.  Ask your pediatricians opinion and the pros and cons rather than an internet board or google.  Oh and as for watching a video, he is not going to remember it so pain is not an issue.  

     

    the cleanliness factor is entirely debatable. Penile infections are already rare, as are penile cancers, so the added benefit of circing them to prevent something that is already rare to begin with seems a bit extreme to some (myself included).  If you can teach girls how to keep their privates clean, then we can also teach our boys.  Same goes with safe sex.

    and just because they might not "remember" the pain doesnt mean that they should be subjected to it.


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    Its not just a cosmetic issue!  I hate that!  Its a cleanliness issue.  I know several grown men who were not circumsiced and have had issues.  Ask your pediatricians opinion and the pros and cons rather than an internet board or google.  Oh and as for watching a video, he is not going to remember it so pain is not an issue.  

     

    the cleanliness factor is entirely debatable. Penile infections are already rare, as are penile cancers, so the added benefit of circing them to prevent something that is already rare to begin with seems a bit extreme to some (myself included).  If you can teach girls how to keep their privates clean, then we can also teach our boys.  Same goes with safe sex.

    and just because they might not "remember" the pain doesnt mean that they should be subjected to it.

    All of the medical professionals to which I have spoken so far have said that there is no medical evidence that it's better.  Find doctor(s) you trust and ask them. 

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    Its not just a cosmetic issue!  I hate that!  Its a cleanliness issue.  I know several grown men who were not circumsiced and have had issues.  Ask your pediatricians opinion and the pros and cons rather than an internet board or google.  Oh and as for watching a video, he is not going to remember it so pain is not an issue.  

     

    the cleanliness factor is entirely debatable. Penile infections are already rare, as are penile cancers, so the added benefit of circing them to prevent something that is already rare to begin with seems a bit extreme to some (myself included).  If you can teach girls how to keep their privates clean, then we can also teach our boys.  Same goes with safe sex.

    and just because they might not "remember" the pain doesnt mean that they should be subjected to it.

    All of the medical professionals to which I have spoken so far have said that there is no medical evidence that it's better.  Find doctor(s) you trust and ask them. 

    The AAP does not recommend circumcision.

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  • We would circumcize a boy if we had one. 
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    The AAP does not recommend circumcision.

     

    thats not entirely true.  Their stance is actually neutral now.  They dont recommend it, but they do not discourage it either.

    Just wanted to clarify if we are going to have a healthy debate about it.


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  • I don't think it's harmful, but neither do I think it's necessary. We will be circumcising if we have a boy, as we're Jewish, and it's important religiously that we do so. However, if we didn't have a good reason, we wouldn't.

    I also don't like the way that the procedure is done in most hospitals. Mohels (people who perform Jewish circumcisions) have, in my opinion, better, safer methods, more experience, and a better understanding of pain management. 

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    The AAP does not recommend circumcision.

     

    thats not entirely true.  Their stance is actually neutral now.  They dont recommend it, but they do not discourage it either.

    Just wanted to clarify if we are going to have a healthy debate about it.

    This is honestly news to me! I thought they were now not recommending it. I truely did not know this. Sorry to put false info out there!

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    The AAP does not recommend circumcision.

     

    thats not entirely true.  Their stance is actually neutral now.  They dont recommend it, but they do not discourage it either.

    Just wanted to clarify if we are going to have a healthy debate about it.

    This is honestly news to me! I thought they were now not recommending it. I truely did not know this. Sorry to put false info out there!

     

    no no, its fine!  They just don't recommend its "routine" use.  Of course, using this wording makes their true intent rather ambiguous.  

     

    here is a good article from AAP, which describes the risks v benefits (with the "cleanliness" factor considered and why its "routine" use is not recommended.  Its because all studies who sought to show that circumcision provided a protective effect, the data isnt statistically significant in favor of)

     

    http://tinyurl.com/8xsx5tx


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  • We will be doing it. H isn't and after seeing how he feels about it we are having it done. It does cause medical problems for some. I have a family member who had to go get his done when he was in his 50s for medical reasons. 
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  • I am actually very thankful to be having a DD this time around.  We did a lot of research and ultimately decided to circumcise DS for the above mentioned sanitary benefits.  I don't regret this decision, however it did take it's toll on me as a new mom.  DH went and watched.  It looks very red and angry afterwards and is covered in gauze.  I will not lie, this is not easy to see. 

    As a PP said, the vitamin K shot is absolutely necessary.  Biblical accounts of circumcisions (and I believe it is current Jewish custom) wait til day 8 to perform the procedure because that is when the natural levels of vitamin K are at their highest.  Not only does it have clotting benefits, but is a natural pain killer.    

    Good luck with whatever you decide.

  • We are getting it done.  My DH hasn't budged on this issue, and since he is circumcised, we will be getting DS circumcised as well.
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    Its not just a cosmetic issue!  I hate that!  Its a cleanliness issue.  I know several grown men who were not circumsiced and have had issues.  Ask your pediatricians opinion and the pros and cons rather than an internet board or google.  Oh and as for watching a video, he is not going to remember it so pain is not an issue.  

    Sorry, it just drives me nuts for people to say its just cosmetic, its not! 

    ETA:  Leaving it with the idea that he can do it later is terrible.  He will remember the pain later and it won't be pleasant. 

    Circumcised men can have issues, too. This is a great link from the Canadian Paediatric Society, which is Canada's equivalent of the AAP: http://www.caringforkids.cps.ca/handouts/circumcision

    So, for example, 10 in 1000 uncirc'd boys will have to have a circ later in life due to complications... but 10 in 1000 circ'd boys will need to be re-circ'd due to complications, so it's basically a wash. For what it's worth, I did ask my pediatrician about this -- she is Jewish, and has a circ'd son, so she's hardly an intactivist. And she said that it's purely cosmetic.

    As for remembering the pain... we really don't know. Certainly, we know babies don't remember the pain of circumcision (or really, remember anything) in the same way that adults do, but for example, one study showed that circ'd babies had a stronger response to the pain of vaccination 6 months later, implying that there is some sort of residual memory: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(96)10316-0/abstract

    As for the Vitamin K shot, if you're doing the circumcision before 8 days of age, the baby should most definitely get the Vit K shot. Most hospitals give it routinely to all babies (male and female), so it's a non-issue.

    As for what we did? We did circumcise our son, mostly because DH felt more strongly about doing it than I felt about not doing it. We chose to use a mohel who does circumcisions for non-Jews. I was in the room the entire time (as was DH as well as DD, age 2.5 at the time). As a pp said, it is a very different procedure from the hospital circumcisions you'll see on YouTube, etc. If this one is a boy and DH feels strongly about circ'ing again, we'll use the same mohel for sure.

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  • Vitamin K is given immediately after delivery along with the Erythromycin ointment....I have never had a patient/family refuse either one of these medications.

    Circumcision is generally done 24+ hours after delivery if the parents choose to have this done and as long as all is well with the newborn.

     We are having it done if this baby is a boy - it is just a given for us...not much discussion. My husband and I feel the same regarding a circumcision.

    I have seen plenty of male newborns go through this procedure...we give them a dose of Tylenol before the procedure as well as sucrose on a pacifier to suck while the procedure is going on. Some MD's also choose to numb either side of the base of the penis with Lidocaine as well. I have also seen male newborns sleep through the procedure or at least are quiet and appear in no major distress. Sure, there are a fair majority that do cry and/or fuss during the procedure....but we (nurses) have to hold them down and keep them still while the MD does the procedure. So, I am sure it hurts, but newborns don't like to be held down either. Overall....they do VERY well with minimal bleeding! We apply petroleum jelly on a 2x2 gauze to basically keep the head of the penis from sticking to the diaper for the first 24 hours. They heal very quickly.

     Just wanted to share my experience with caring for male newborns and circumcisions.

    I would have no problem comforting my male newborn through the procedure, but most of the time the MD's and nurses will not allow parents to be there. In that case, I will comfort him when they return him to me.

    Just research, talk to your pediatrician/doctor, etc. and make your own mind up....you have to do what you feel best! In my opinion, this is a very personal decision and nobody should be getting fired up over your choice and decision. It is your baby!

  • We will be circumcising if we have a boy. No, we will not be in the room during the procedure.  (I hope to be taking a nap since it may be one of my last ones for awhile.)  Yes, I feel the vitamin K shot is necessary.  We are not worried about the procedure and we trust our pediatrician.
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  • We are having a girl, but I had made my decision long ago that if we have a boy, we would NOT circumcise.

    The only valid reason (in my opinion) to do so is for religion/deeply ingrained cultural practices.  Hygiene is not a valid reason. We should all be capable of teaching our children to keep themselves clean.

     Of course, this is just my opinion, and deeply ingrained cultural practices is certainly open to individual interpretation.

  • We are planning to cirumcise our DS - this is a decision that I do not feel strongly about one way or the other, but DH is circumcised and would like DS to be as well and I'm fine with that.

    No, I don't plan on being in the room during the procedure.

    Yes, I feel the viatmin K shot is necessary, and my birthing center gives them rutinely soon after birth anyway.

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     This statement doesn't even make sense.  He might not remember the pain later in life but he will certainly feel the pain while the procedure is being done.

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     This statement doesn't even make sense.  He might not remember the pain later in life but he will certainly feel the pain while the procedure is being done.

    meaning remember it or not, he's stll going to feel pain and probably a lot of it. Does not remembering it make it ok?

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  • I suggest doing some research and discussing it with your SO and pedi.  I wouldn't base my decison on what a bunch of women on the bump have to say.  
  • We will NOT be circumsizing. I agree unless you are doing it for religious purposes it is 100% cosmetic. I find it lame that people use the excuse that it's more "sanitary" to have it done. My DH isn't circumsized and he has NEVER had a cleaning problem. If you can't take the extra min. To pull the skin back and clean then that's just laziness, don't chalk up to being a health benefit...it's kind if an insult when people say it's more sanitary because that's like saying those who aren't cut aren't sanitary.
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    My son was circ'ed.

    And here's a flammable opinion: I think uncut penises are creepy looking.

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    My son was circ'ed.

    And here's a flammable opinion: I think uncut penises are creepy looking.

    Well I think cut Penis's look gross and dried out.


    Edit: I don't actually think a cut penis looks gross I just wanted the person I quoted to see how it feels to say mean and vicious things like she posted. 

    It is completely a personal choice to get a circumcision BUT people need to do their research and stop trying to say it's for "sanitary" reasons because the USA is the only country that even does circumcisions on a routine basis.  Does this mean the rest of the world is unsanitary?  I don't think so!

    If you want to do it for cosmetic reasons so baby looks like daddy or just because you think it looks better than just say that and stop using bullsh*t excuses.

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    My son was circ'ed.

    And here's a flammable opinion: I think uncut penises are creepy looking.

    Well I think cut Penis's look gross and dried out.

    Aren't they all kind of icky looking?  I mean, who wants to walk around with one of those hanging off them.  And I respect your opinion and your rights to it.

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    My son was circ'ed.

    And here's a flammable opinion: I think uncut penises are creepy looking.

     

    They look the same as a cut penis when erect.  Google images if you are so inclined.

    furthermore, circumcising because you think uncirc'd penises look "funny" is really teaching our sons an important message.  Because image is everything after all!  Confused

    There is always something that our kids are going to be picked on about.  Its more important to teach tolerance, kindness and the value of diversity than peg someone as funny/creepy looking.


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    My son was circ'ed.

    And here's a flammable opinion: I think uncut penises are creepy looking.

     

    Tlook the same as a cut penis when erect.  Google images if you are so inclined.

    furthermore, circumcising because you think uncirc'd penises look "funny" is really teaching our sons an important message.  Because image is everything after all!  Confused

    There is always something that our kids are going to be picked on about.  Its more important to teach tolerance, kindness and the value of diversity than peg someone as funny/creepy looking.

    I hope you're not insinuating that my son is circ'ed because of my opinion about how somehting looks.  That wasn't the reason.  We did it because we did.  Just like othere don't do it because they don't.  That's the end.

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    We will NOT be circumsizing. I agree unless you are doing it for religious purposes it is 100% cosmetic. I find it lame that people use the excuse that it's more "sanitary" to have it done. My DH isn't circumsized and he has NEVER had a cleaning problem. If you can't take the extra min. To pull the skin back and clean then that's just laziness, don't chalk up to being a health benefit...it's kind if an insult when people say it's more sanitary because that's like saying those who aren't cut aren't sanitary.

    The cleanliness argument also drives me crazy because it completely disregards all of the infections and cases where the procedure has to be repeated because the altered penis was not cared for properly after the procedure and the skin adheres. It's also saying a circ'd penis is easier to clean than an uncirc'd, which is complete laziness. Then you'll have the arguments that say it will help prevent transmission of STDs, including HIV/AIDS, which is baffling. An circumcised penis without a condom is dangerous, period, end of story. Negligible percentage of benefit by damned.

    It's one of these archaic procedures that I think the western world has clung to for fashion. Looking like daddy, social acceptance, supposed cleanliness... these "arguments" are ingrained in our heads, but I'm glad to see a movement among the latest generations having children to do the research and come to their own conclusions that it's completely unnecessary and the benefits of staying natural and intact are legitimate. Hopefully it continues.

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