TTC After a Loss

NEG PEE TEST BEFORE POS BLOOD TEST? IS IT POSSIBLE??

Hi girls! soooooooooo, tomorrow is my blood test for second round of IVF. after being pregnant in 2010 with twins but went into preterm and delived 23w 4d, only to have my babies fight for their lives in the NICU, but their lungs werent' develops .RIP my angels. so I had 1 okay embie last round of IVF, didnt take. Just had 2 PERFECT embies, so they tell me, transfered 12 days ago. Stupid me took a pee test this morning and it came up negative. Blood test tomorrow. How many of you have felt like *** , had a neg test, but then a postive blood test??? I am freaking out just about now. B/c last time when I was prego I took the pee test around the same time and it came up positive right away. This time NOT :( they always say blood test is better, but I just dont get it!!!!! I am running out of hope. I do have 8 embies that we were able to freeze but how much longer do I want to go thru this ***?? thx for listening. T-

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  • Wow T. That was one big jumbled mess up there.

    You might have better luck on PGAL with this question because most of our BFPs did not end happy.

    In my personal experience the only times i've had blood draws was when my HPTs were + already.


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    I'm sorry for your losses, but this is likely a better question for the PgAL board, since everyone there has had a positive test of some sort.
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  • YELLING LOUD NOISES!

    I'm having a very had time understanding what it is you're asking. Also, PgAL might be the best place for any type of pregnancy question. 

  • its possible if you took a test that isnt very sensative...
  • First and foremost, let me say that I am deeply sorry for the loss of your twins. It is violently unfair that any woman must face the odds and come up in that terrible percentage of loss. If you've made it to IVF, I know that you've faced a long and difficult road. 

    Which is frankly why your insensitivity and terrible choice of trashy slang shocks the hell out of me.

    Preggo? Really? You've got a plate of pasta that needs help?  

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart for lurking first on our board before posting, getting to know the tone and pace of our community and discovering that this kind of post is severely disposed of here. It warms my heart that you care so much about us as individuals, that you decided that we were better used as a magical google source board, instead of a support board. I'm glad that you understand the concept of 'give support, get support' so very well. 

    To answer your question, my doctor ordered a blood test this last cycle at 14dpo to get a clear yes/no answer before moving me on to clomid this cycle. I was hoping to send my DH off on his 2 week trip with great news so I POAFS 2 days early. It was a BFN. Oh yeah, so was my blood test.

    Now, I suggest that if you want better puppies and rainbows, you ask over on PGAL. 

    Actually, they won't shoot puppies and rainbows up your cooter either, but at least you'll be in the right area to find answers about positive pregnancy tests.

    (Just so we're clear, this flame is brought to you for NOT THINKING BEFORE POSTING. Remember no one here is pregnant, so asking us about our positive pregnancy tests is pretty much rubbing salt in our wounds. I do actually wish you all success in your endeavor, and I would very much like to see you, like all the wonderful and caring women I've got to know here by reading and posting and interacting with them, finally get our take-home babies. Oh, and you might just have set me off a little by YELLING in your title. It's always lovely to have the first post of the day be someone YELLING at me.)

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    First and foremost, let me say that I am deeply sorry for the loss of your twins. It is violently unfair that any woman must face the odds and come up in that terrible percentage of loss. If you've made it to IVF, I know that you've faced a long and difficult road. 

    Which is frankly why your insensitivity and terrible choice of trashy slang shocks the hell out of me.

    Preggo? Really? You've got a plate of pasta that needs help?  

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart for lurking first on our board before posting, getting to know the tone and pace of our community and discovering that this kind of post is severely disposed of here. It warms my heart that you care so much about us as individuals, that you decided that we were better used as a magical google source board, instead of a support board. I'm glad that you understand the concept of 'give support, get support' so very well. 

    To answer your question, my doctor ordered a blood test this last cycle at 14dpo to get a clear yes/no answer before moving me on to clomid this cycle. I was hoping to send my DH off on his 2 week trip with great news so I POAFS 2 days early. It was a BFN. Oh yeah, so was my blood test.

    Now, I suggest that if you want better puppies and rainbows, you ask over on PGAL. 

    Actually, they won't shoot puppies and rainbows up your cooter either, but at least you'll be in the right area to find answers about positive pregnancy tests.

    (Just so we're clear, this flame is brought to you for NOT THINKING BEFORE POSTING. Remember no one here is pregnant, so asking us about our positive pregnancy tests is pretty much rubbing salt in our wounds. I do actually wish you all success in your endeavor, and I would very much like to see you, like all the wonderful and caring women I've got to know here by reading and posting and interacting with them, finally get our take-home babies. Oh, and you might just have set me off a little by YELLING in your title. It's always lovely to have the first post of the day be someone YELLING at me.)

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  • I apologize for my language apparently i offended some people.  I was not speaking about anyone else but myself.  and it is my way of trying to keep light of my horrible situation.

    I have had many neg hpt tests and neg blood draws in the past.  so I am not gloating or rubbing anything in anyones face. 

     What do I have to gloat about? That my children passed away at 16 days and 26 days? I DON'T THINK SO!!! I would not wish that nightmare on my worst enemy.  so don't judge me for being open and trying to learn about others experiences.  I have a heart of gold and I'm sorry you woke up on the wrong side of the bed today and decided to ream me out.

    Try to walk in my shoes with the tragedy that I have faced. I am not bitter b/c of it.  I chose to move on and try and try again and live my life as best I can.  I have a very big heart and give alot to this world.

     I am going through the process AGAIN, of trying to achieve my dream of becoming a mom, just like everyone else. and I wish nothing but the best for everyone in trying to achieve their dreams..

    thanks to all that try to help.

      

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    I apologize for my language apparently i offended some people.  I was not speaking about anyone else but myself.  and it is my way of trying to keep light of my horrible situation.

    I have had many neg hpt tests and neg blood draws in the past.  so I am not gloating or rubbing anything in anyones face. 

     What do I have to gloat about? That my children passed away at 16 days and 26 days? I DON'T THINK SO!!! I would not wish that nightmare on my worst enemy.  so don't judge me for being open and trying to learn about others experiences.  I have a heart of gold and I'm sorry you woke up on the wrong side of the bed today and decided to ream me out.

    Try to walk in my shoes with the tragedy that I have faced. I am not bitter b/c of it.  I chose to move on and try and try again and live my life as best I can.  I have a very big heart and give alot to this world.

     I am going through the process AGAIN, of trying to achieve my dream of becoming a mom, just like everyone else. and I wish nothing but the best for everyone in trying to achieve their dreams..

    thanks to all that try to help.

      

    Um...we all have faced similar tragedies to what you faced, it is a LOSS board.  I do feel HORRIBLE about your loss of twins, that must be terribly painful, but to insinuate that we don't know the type of pain you are in?

    It isn't the language of your post that is the problem, it was the fact that you posted on SUCCESS AFTER IF first, which makes sense because they have successes and then came to TTCAL and asked the SAME question.  We have no clue, we don't have successes here, we are not pregnant we are TRYING TO CONCEIVE, as in, not currently pregnant.

    Petra made that very clear by saying she was flaming you for your choice of location for the post. If you read the last paragraph she wishes you well.  You could have just apologized for your incorrect board choice, but instead decided to snark back.

    We all wish you well, but honestly, you deserved to get flamed for your choice of locations to post in.  None of us know who you are, so it is hard to offer support.

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    I apologize for my language apparently i offended some people.  I was not speaking about anyone else but myself.  and it is my way of trying to keep light of my horrible situation.

    I have had many neg hpt tests and neg blood draws in the past.  so I am not gloating or rubbing anything in anyones face. 

     What do I have to gloat about? That my children passed away at 16 days and 26 days? I DON'T THINK SO!!! I would not wish that nightmare on my worst enemy.  so don't judge me for being open and trying to learn about others experiences.  I have a heart of gold and I'm sorry you woke up on the wrong side of the bed today and decided to ream me out.

    Try to walk in my shoes with the tragedy that I have faced. I am not bitter b/c of it.  I chose to move on and try and try again and live my life as best I can.  I have a very big heart and give alot to this world.

     I am going through the process AGAIN, of trying to achieve my dream of becoming a mom, just like everyone else. and I wish nothing but the best for everyone in trying to achieve their dreams..

    thanks to all that try to help.

      

    Wait a minute, are you implying that your tragedy is worse than any of ours? Hello! We all have had losses here! u am very sorry for yours but, you don't have to imply that yours was worse. Also, you mentioned about us getting to know you before we "judge" well, post a d@mn intro so that we can get to know you! So, DO NOT come on here and call us bitter and that we got up on the wrong side of the bed, when its you who needs to realize that you have posted! We don't know if you are pg, the test may not have been very sensitive or maybe just maybe..... YOU'RE NOT PG! But your BGP and get over yourself!
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  • The blood test is the next day?  If it is the next day, one day can make a difference between a positive and a negative. 

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  • Really? Petra was actually very nice to you! You came a posted a "COULD I STILL BE PREGNANT" (sorry for you it would be preggo) question on a TRYING TO CONCIEVE board!...... Do you not understand that?

    You have never offered any of is support yet you expect us to drop everything and respond to your question that we don't really know anything about? AND that you already asked somewhere else?

    This isn't play mommy against daddy when you don't get the answer you want! No one got up "on the wrong side of the bed" but all caps insinuates YELLING!!( got it?)

    And we all know what a loss feels like, you are not alone with that hurting! I am very deeply truely sorry that you lost your twins! It's a terrible feeling. But try giving us some support if you'd like to receive some! Post an intro let us hear your story. We really are great people when we are shown the level of respect that we show others. Again I'm terribly sorry for your losses

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    I apologize for my language apparently i offended some people.  I was not speaking about anyone else but myself.  and it is my way of trying to keep light of my horrible situation.

    I have had many neg hpt tests and neg blood draws in the past.  so I am not gloating or rubbing anything in anyones face. 

     What do I have to gloat about? That my children passed away at 16 days and 26 days? I DON'T THINK SO!!! I would not wish that nightmare on my worst enemy.  so don't judge me for being open and trying to learn about others experiences.  I have a heart of gold and I'm sorry you woke up on the wrong side of the bed today and decided to ream me out.

    Try to walk in my shoes with the tragedy that I have faced. I am not bitter b/c of it.  I chose to move on and try and try again and live my life as best I can.  I have a very big heart and give alot to this world.

     I am going through the process AGAIN, of trying to achieve my dream of becoming a mom, just like everyone else. and I wish nothing but the best for everyone in trying to achieve their dreams..

    thanks to all that try to help.

      

    First and foremost, and with all sincerity, apology accepted. Please understand that this board has a long and sad history of other Bump women (usually those with healthy and blissfully ignorant first pregnancies) creating alter egos and pretending to be stupid teenagers. They love to come to our loss board and pretend to be an idiot talking about how they "just know they are preggo, because they felt the sperm penetrate the egg, and it's it wonderful!!!" Preggo is a hot button word around here. While I see the need to make light of the terrible stress you are going through, that word is like waving a red cape in front of a bull. I also apologize. I should not have taken a dig at you about that word.

    a) We all know you are talking about me. It won't hurt my feelings if you call me by name.

    b) Did you even read my response to you, or did you get to the second paragraph and stop reading? Absolutely no one thought you were gloating. In no way has anyone here called into question your right to be sad, mad, frustrated and scared it won't happen for you. You earned that right the day you lost the first of your twins, and losing the second only cemented it further.  

    c) You posted this on IF first, and you got the same responses, "No one here is pregnant, go ask a pregnancy board." This is the root of the issue. You are asking women who haven't had a positive result about their positive results.

    SALT + WOUND = Furking hell, that hurts!

    d) Since that follow-up question of yours hasn't been answered; PGAL is "Pregnant After a Loss" and is located on the left-hand column menu over there <<<. They are women who have suffered m/cs, late losses, and NICU deaths. They have since succeeded in getting pregnant again and would actually be able to provide positive responses to your specific question. I do believe that there is actually a current board member who did have a - hpt followed by a + blood test. 

    e) Once again, best of luck to you and I truly hope that you get that positive test and that it leads to a take home baby.

    f) One more thing. While you never posted an introduction here (which is polite), so you kind of entered the room talking. Don't let this interaction scare you away from this board. In fact, many women have walked in and stepped all over toes, apologized, and gone one to become beloved and valued members of our community. This really is a good place to make a home, while you ride the roller coaster that is TTCAL. Welcome.

    g) I really mean the last part. Give it a chance and you and I could easily become friends. 

     

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    Three Clomid cycles, all BFN, Off to an RE for me...
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    Pebbles arrived safe and sound 4/13. Placenta accreta found.
    Op hysteroscopy 2/7, reopen ute/remove adhesions from accreta
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  • Yes, it is possible.

    Once HCG is in your blood it takes another day or two to end up in your urine.  So blood tests are more sensitive than urine tests.

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  • point well taken by both petra and love. lesson learned.

    It seems that I posted originally on the wrong listing.  I was a steady user about a year ago and had the same steady message board for quite some time.

    Now times have changed and situations changed obviously, and need to go into different boards.

    I am truly sorry for all of your angels out there.  I posted a whole history of myself around late October of last year.  Even posted pics of my angels.  Maybe it got deleted after I took my tracker down ? I'm not sure.   sorry about being a stranger and butting into the blog. not my intention to hurt anyone. that is the last thing i want to do.

    I guess I have to spend more time on here.  Some of abbreviations I dont quite understand as well. 

    so  how do I find the beginning of ppls stories or learn the history?

     

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    point well taken by both petra and love. lesson learned.

    It seems that I posted originally on the wrong listing.  I was a steady user about a year ago and had the same steady message board for quite some time.

    Now times have changed and situations changed obviously, and need to go into different boards.

    I am truly sorry for all of your angels out there.  I posted a whole history of myself around late October of last year.  Even posted pics of my angels.  Maybe it got deleted after I took my tracker down ? I'm not sure.   sorry about being a stranger and butting into the blog. not my intention to hurt anyone. that is the last thing i want to do.

    I guess I have to spend more time on here.  Some of abbreviations I dont quite understand as well. 

    so  how do I find the beginning of ppls stories or learn the history?

     

    Thank you for this.

    If you look on the bottom of peoples siggys (I think Petras) there is a link for the blog that might help.  There is a link on the blog for abbreviations and a lot of really great info.

    I suggest posting an intro and jumping in and giving support on threads.  For people who have been around a while, the intros would be buried, but if you wanted to get to know anyone, just shoot them a PM.

    Welcome to the board. 

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  • Thank you so much for taking what we are saying for what it's worth! We will gladly welcome you with open arms:)

    Please post an intro with your story so that we can learn more about you! If you'd like to hear our stories you can ask us to post them in the bottom of your intro or you can ask is personally!

    Welcome to TTCAL we hope that we can be supportive and that your stay here is short and sweet!

    edit: I wrong tense

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  • Hi LoveofMikes Life. p.s. some of this might contain TMI for the queezy ones. 

    thank you for writing back.

    so Here is my journey.  

    it started back in 2006 when I got married. Hubby and I tried for 4 years to get pregnant. We never even thought to look into a specialist for help until 4 years later.  Our first round of IUI protocol did not produce a lot of follicles.  The second round of IUI we used more meds, dosage wise, and received a wholeee bunch.  AFter the second IUI I was pregnant with 5 babies!! the docs were even surprised at such a response.  I guess that doesn't happen all too often with quins.

    3 of our lil ones weren't doing so well and I miscarried 3 fetus after having some genetic tests performed.  TMI, (sorry) two ended up being expelled from my body.  So there I was left with 2 lil babies, a boy and girl thriving for about 22 weeks.  Somewhere around that time my peri did an u/s and saw that my fluid was almost gone on my lil girl.  The doctors that saw me on that particular day (I saw a ton of docs re this), were horrible in the way they reacted to it and how they explained they pretty much couldn't do anything , to go home and see what happens.  There is a grey area between doctors when it comes to when a baby is "viable". 24 weeks is the legal time.  Some doctors won't even try to help the babies if you go into labor before 24 weeks.  The doctor that I liked and was most comfortable with was on my side, said he would do anything he could to try and save my babies. he was on MY side.

    so the day the nasty doc gave me the horrible news and told me to go home, I ended up taking myself to the emergency L&D that evening where they immediately admitted.  Some docs after a couple days wanted to kick me out b/c they couldnt do anything, but my real doc fought for me to stay in the hospital just in case.

    To back track even a few weeks before all this happened, maybe even a month, I was spotting, bleeding, etc and it wouldn't stop. it happened to be old blood from the babies that passed.  so I had huge clots coming out all the time.  I saw quite a few doctors and they all told me not to worry the babies looked fine at that time.  I had ultrasounds every week and my babies were kicking away and heartbeats were great!

    so back to around the 22 weeks. or a little before when I went to the emergency room, I was admitted and was in the hospital for exactly 7 days when in the middle of the night I passed an enormous clot and they told me I was having contractions.  off to L&D I went.  About 12 hours after the most excruiating contractions ever, front and back puking during it all, I gave birth to my daughter and son, both weighing less than a pound.  23 w 4 days.  They were wisked away immediately into the hands of the NICU docs.  My daughter wasn't breathing when she came out. it took them 10 mins to revive her.  We were counseled before I went into labor about what could happen, what illnesses they could have and complications etc.  They were both beautiful.

    So I was in the hospital for another 3 days going back and forth to the NICU,Watching my children fight for their life.  My son Tony Jr fought his heart out for 16 days, and my daughter Angelina Rose for 26 days.  Theiry lungs were the worst, and just wouldn't develop, and they had many other illnesses that come with being a micro preemie.

    so that is pretty much my story.  it's been 9 months since they turned into angels. Since I have had 1 IUI with no meds, and I have had 2 rounds of IVF since march.   It pains me to read some of the posts and read about what other woman have to go through.  It's not fair.  It shouldn't be this hard to start a family.  I feel for all woman that have to go through this. My heart goes out to everyone!

    unfortunately, this is the way the world turns these days, and do what we have to do to achieve our dreams.  I will do whatever it takes to become a mom again.  My babies were so amazing.  They were perfectly formed and just tiny little people.  I am blessed that I got to meet them.   I miss them every day, and not a day goes by where I dont think about them.  I cannot believe this type of thing happens every day and the pain that we all go through.  

    So that is the basis of my story.  I know there are things I forgot, but you get the gist.  

    I hope everyone has  found ways to live life and hold true the memory of their babies in some form or another.  Bless your hearts little angel babies.  

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  • I am soo sorry.....I am in tears as I type this ( well I was befor I read this but this added to them)

    Can you please do me one favor so that others can learn about you?

    will you copy and paste this as a new thread... just title it 'My Intro c/p'ed from earlier thread"

    some people might not get to see it if it is only here...

     You are an amazingly strong woman, I'm soo sorry that you lost Tony Jr and Angelina. Im sure they were equally as amazing and I know that they are glad they got to meet you!

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  • I am very sorry to hear about your baby Addison.  There are no words.  xo
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