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Circumcision? I am having a baby boy.

This is my first pregnancy. Any one know the pro and cons of circumcision? Any advice ? Thanks !

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  • http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision

    Realistically, it is a personal preference. You should talk to your OB and your Pedi about circumcision and the risks/rewards. There is no inherent risk or benefit so drastic or rewarding to cause the AMA to take a definitive stance on whether a circ is medically necessary, and so it is largely left up to the parents own discretion.

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    FWIW I planned on circumcision but never ended up getting it done for DS. No grand philosophical reason. Just didn't seem terribly important.

    There are those that circumcise as part of their faith. It's important to them. I say more power to them.


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  • Its all personal preference. I got my son circumcised and will do so with all my sons if I have more boys.
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  • MosyMama said:
    Psychology Today has a great series of articles (with research citations) on the many myths about circumcision, most of which are touted as facts by many people on this board, so this can be a heated topic. :) You can find the article series online by Googling.
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  • jess9802 said:
    Sorry, but I disagree that using inflammatory rhetoric and bad or biased research is a legitimate means of educating the general public. That circumcision has been the cultural norm hardly justifies that tactic.

    I honestly have no beef with whatever parents decide to do. I am, however, disturbed at the propaganda that gets thrown out by those FOR circumcision, and find it disingenuous that they would twist, distort, obscure, or lie about the actual science in order to convince people of the merits of their argument. I think the AAP position on circumcision is perfectly appropriate: the benefits outweigh the risks, but not to such a degree as to recommend universal circumcision. Parents get to make the decision in light of their ethical, religious, and cultural beliefs.
    the final decision should still be left to parents to make in the context of their religious, ethical and cultural beliefs. - See more at: http://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/pages/Newborn-Male-Circumcision.aspx#sthash.AAiojO6Q.dpuf
    the final decision should still be left to parents to make in the context of their religious, ethical and cultural beliefs. - See more at: http://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/pages/Newborn-Male-Circumcision.aspx#sthash.AAiojO6Q.dpuf
    the final decision should still be left to parents to make in the context of their religious, ethical and cultural beliefs. - See more at: http://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/pages/Newborn-Male-Circumcision.aspx#sthash.AAiojO6Q.dpuf


    I am LMAO over here. I fixed it for you, BTW. I see all of the bolded in the "for circumcision" posts more than anything.

    I don't give a flying fuck what you do, quit spreading lies is all I'm saying.


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  • I am LMAO over here. I fixed it for you, BTW. I see all of the bolded in the "for circumcision" posts more than anything.

    I don't give a flying fuck what you do, quit spreading lies is all I'm saying.

    I am not arguing for or against circumcision. I, too, give no fucks what someone else does with their children in regard to this question. I, too, wish people would quit spreading lies. I just happen to think more of them come from the anti-circ people than those who are neutral on the question or pro-circumcision. <shrugs>

    @MosyMama: It goes far beyond every study having its limitation. Some are relevant, and some are not. Bollinger has been criticized for the manner in which he calculated the death rate, which the CDC says is simply not supported by their data. As I recall, the articles also cite a pediatrician and notable "intactivist" Van Howe - who has also been criticized by other researchers for his conclusions and methodology regarding the prevalence of genital disease in circ'ed and uncirc'ed men. So yeah - when a series of articles by people with explicit, perhaps even extremist, agendas cite questionable research, forgive me for assuming that the articles are perhaps not the best source by which people should "educate themselves."

    OP, talk to your SO and your pediatrician and then make a decision. Truly, it won't be a big deal either way. Good luck.
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  • While I may not offer pros and cons per say, we will be doing it. DH had it done, and we both agree that LO will also.
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  • I did not circ my son, and I still stand by my decision. This subject always ruffles some feathers, and it will always be that way. I don't feel that it's necessary to cut my child's penis because it's "cleaner." In all reality, it's not. You should be teaching your child to properly clean themselves, and you should keep them clean before that. Any genitals, cut or not, are at risk for infection if not kept clean. They try to say that the baby "doesn't feel it" but I know that's not true. You can numb them all you want during the procedure, but the weeks of recovery are definitely not painless, and I highly doubt the procedure is either. People do it because it's the normal thing to do. Ultimately, it's your choice. In my opinion, it's ultimately my son's choice as to whether he wants it done or not. Since he was too young at birth to decide, I left it alone until he could. That's just my opinion. Do your research and be 100% sure. Don't let anybody sway you toward what you don't truly want.
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  • I am dumbfounded that someone thinks that circumcisiom helping reduce hiv infection as a myth and lol at psychology today being linked as a legitimate research site. I think Wikipedia is more reputable. Op, if you want some real science to help with your decision, here ya go. Good luck with your decision. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/prevention_research_malecircumcision.pdf
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  • I did not circ my son, and I still stand by my decision. This subject always ruffles some feathers, and it will always be that way. I don't feel that it's necessary to cut my child's penis because it's "cleaner." In all reality, it's not. You should be teaching your child to properly clean themselves, and you should keep them clean before that. Any genitals, cut or not, are at risk for infection if not kept clean. They try to say that the baby "doesn't feel it" but I know that's not true. You can numb them all you want during the procedure, but the weeks of recovery are definitely not painless, and I highly doubt the procedure is either. People do it because it's the normal thing to do. Ultimately, it's your choice. In my opinion, it's ultimately my son's choice as to whether he wants it done or not. Since he was too young at birth to decide, I left it alone until he could. That's just my opinion. Do your research and be 100% sure. Don't let anybody sway you toward what you don't truly want.
    Weeks of recovery?  Good God who did your sons circ?  DS not only never let out a peep during the procedure but was good to go in like 7-10 days, totally healed up. 

    OP, we circmsized and will continue to do so with any future sons.  Don't give a rats ass about the pros or cons, it was simply what we decided we wanted for our son.  Talk with your DH and do what you gotta do.
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  • edited December 2013
    MrsMuq said:
    I'd never use science as the backbone to a pro-circ argument (I don't think the "science" argument for it is that strong), but rather think it is more a cultural/faith/family decision.

    I'm not pro circumcision. I'm pro people making an informed decision and informed doesn't mean unqualified doctors on psychology today (because what does a psychiatrist have to do with circumcision?) If soon to be parents read the CDC fact sheet and say that isn't compelling enough for me to circumcise, great. If they read it and choose to circ based on the medical benefits, great.
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    KC_13 said:
    I am dumbfounded that someone thinks that circumcisiom helping reduce hiv infection as a myth and lol at psychology today being linked as a legitimate research site. I think Wikipedia is more reputable. Op, if you want some real science to help with your decision, here ya go. Good luck with your decision. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/prevention_research_malecircumcision.pdf

    I think people miss the point where the studies done were in Africa. It is a much bigger issue there. They don't have access to condoms and whatnot for safe sex. They don't get to bathe like we do. In the United States it is pretty much a non-issue.


    I'm guessing you didn't read the research I quoted. It speaks of More than just hiv transmission. Also I wouldn't consider hiv a nonissue here --you hear about it less because its considered less media worthy than cancer due to blaming the victim. while you can teach children to keep clean and use condoms its no guarantee. The demographic of new hiv cases are in young people who are notorious for making lousy decisions. I remember reading an interesting quote out of John Hopkins urology department which said if we had a pill with some risks that could prevent 50% of breast cancer patients moms would be all over it yet we have a way to prevent half of HIV cases and nearly 100% of penile cancer cases yet its judged harshly.
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  • I still don't understand why someone would go to the internet for a decision like this. You can ask your doctor or religious advisor. It just seems like a big decision to rely on internet message boards about. I'm obviously in the minority because this question gets asked ad nauseum. :-??


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  • Well have to agree to disagree. While it only makes up a small percentage of overall population, hiv still in the top 20 leading causes of deaths--killing 15,000+ every year. 50,000 people contract it a year and a million+ and rising have it. That's more deaths than the flu most years yet there's not the same judgment towards people who get the flu vaccine. It goes beyond HIV--there's promising research on HPV too. Penile cancer is rare....but so are many things we take precautions against on a daily basis.
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  • Well have to agree to disagree. While it only makes up a small percentage of overall population, hiv still in the top 20 leading causes of deaths--killing 15,000+ every year. 50,000 people contract it a year and a million+ and rising have it. That's more deaths than the flu most years yet there's not the same judgment towards people who get the flu vaccine. It goes beyond HIV--there's promising research on HPV too. Penile cancer is rare....but so are many things we take precautions against on a daily basis.
    Yeah, we definitely disagree. Especially since you keep over exaggerating the helpfulness of circumcision while blatantly ignoring the benefits for keeping the foreskin. A well rounded argument looks at all sides, which you fail to do. There is a reason why medical professionals stand in the middle.

    On the contrary, the anti circ crusaders who police these boards tend to try to minimize the proven medical benefits to try to convince people its a pointless procedure.
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  • Holy shit. Its like beating a dead horse. It's the parents PERSONAL decision to have it done or not. Whatever that reason may be. Your opinions are nothing more than that. An opinion! And all of you think your opinion is the most important and the right one. Who's to say? Oh that's right. THE PARENTS! Yet, if it's to do with religious reason then it's ok to do it? But if you're not religious it's wrong? That's just a whole new topic in itself.
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  • As you can see, this post hit a "nerve."  I would say do your research and ask your doctors (OB and Pedi). I see people have given you tons of links for the pros and cons.  When I was making my decision, I found some statistics that I thought were interesting.  I looks like the US is trending away from doing this procedure.  I don't know what the stats are in elsewhere, but am told this procedure isn't done in Europe or Canada, at least routinely and is paid for out of pocket by parents when it is.  I'm sure people will say this is wrong... again, do your research. I have heard that in the US medicaid doesn't pay for it as it is deemed not medically necessary. 
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  • edited January 2014
    KC_13 said:
    Well have to agree to disagree. While it only makes up a small percentage of overall population, hiv still in the top 20 leading causes of deaths--killing 15,000+ every year. 50,000 people contract it a year and a million+ and rising have it. That's more deaths than the flu most years yet there's not the same judgment towards people who get the flu vaccine. It goes beyond HIV--there's promising research on HPV too. Penile cancer is rare....but so are many things we take precautions against on a daily basis.
    Yeah, we definitely disagree. Especially since you keep over exaggerating the helpfulness of circumcision while blatantly ignoring the benefits for keeping the foreskin. A well rounded argument looks at all sides, which you fail to do. There is a reason why medical professionals stand in the middle.

    On the contrary, the anti circ crusaders who police these boards tend to try to minimize the proven medical benefits to try to convince people its a pointless procedure.
    LOL. Sigh. Alright, let's take a look at some numbers.
    KC_13 said:
    Well have to agree to disagree. While it only makes up a small percentage of overall population, hiv still in the top 20 leading causes of deaths--killing 15,000+ every year. 50,000 people contract it a year and a million+ and rising have it. That's more deaths than the flu most years yet there's not the same judgment towards people who get the flu vaccine. It goes beyond HIV--there's promising research on HPV too. Penile cancer is rare....but so are many things we take precautions against on a daily basis.

    According to the CDC, I am wrong when I said 0.5% of the US population has HIV, it is actually 0.4%. Whoops my bad, it's even lower than I said previously.

    Let's take a look at who circumcision actually protects. We will go with the number you stated, 50,000 new cases every year. Ok, and you think all of that could have been prevented through circumcision? Let's crunch some numbers.

    First and foremost, the findings for protection from HIV were founded in female to male transfer through heterosexual contact. Several different studies came up with different numbers. The median number was about a 44% reduction in the female to male heterosexual transfer. 

    On to everyone circumcision does not protect.

    "Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) of all races and ethnicities remain the population most profoundly affected by HIV. " The gay population is most at risk for HIV in the US.

     "In a recent meta-analysis of 15 observational studies of male circumcision and HIV acquisition by MSM, a statistically nonsignificant protective association was found."That means that through all the studies done, they have not been able to prove that circumcision helps prevent HIV spread from male on male sex. It makes total sense considering that only 4% of the US population has male on male sex, yet it accounts for 78% of all new infections in males and accounts for 63% of all new infections.  Next group is injection drug users. They represent 8% of all new infections.   Next group is women."Studies of whether circumcision of males reduces HIV transmission to their female sex partners overall indicate no protective effect."Women are not at all protected by circumcision. "New HIV infections among women are primarily attributed to heterosexual contact (84% in 2010) or injection drug use (16% in 2010). Women accounted for 20% of estimated new HIV infections."  Since we already accounted for the numbers through drug use, we take out the number from drug use and only attribute the number from sex. That makes the number 17% of all new HIV infections.

    Ok so from all the stuff circumcision does not protect against, let's add the numbers. 63+8+17= 88.

    88% of all new HIV infections had nothing to do with and had no protection from circumcision. 

    The 12% left would be the new infections of males from heterosexual contact. Remember that it only reduces it by 44%. That means that 66% of circumcised males are still going to get HIV from heterosexual contact.

    Of the 0.4% of the US population that has HIV, 88% of the cases came about regardless of circumcision. And again, circumcision doesn't help 66% of the time for the rest of them.

    ETA: The Bump is not letting me separate the middle part into paragraphs. I keep trying but, it just isn't responding. Sorry for the cluster in the middle. I'll try a couple more times.

    Yeah, it's not working. Sorry.


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  • edited January 2014
    KC_13 said:
    Well have to agree to disagree. While it only makes up a small percentage of overall population, hiv still in the top 20 leading causes of deaths--killing 15,000+ every year. 50,000 people contract it a year and a million+ and rising have it. That's more deaths than the flu most years yet there's not the same judgment towards people who get the flu vaccine. It goes beyond HIV--there's promising research on HPV too. Penile cancer is rare....but so are many things we take precautions against on a daily basis.
    Yeah, we definitely disagree. Especially since you keep over exaggerating the helpfulness of circumcision while blatantly ignoring the benefits for keeping the foreskin. A well rounded argument looks at all sides, which you fail to do. There is a reason why medical professionals stand in the middle.

    On the contrary, the anti circ crusaders who police these boards tend to try to minimize the proven medical benefits to try to convince people its a pointless procedure.
    LOL. Sigh. Alright, let's take a look at some numbers.
    KC_13 said:
    Well have to agree to disagree. While it only makes up a small percentage of overall population, hiv still in the top 20 leading causes of deaths--killing 15,000+ every year. 50,000 people contract it a year and a million+ and rising have it. That's more deaths than the flu most years yet there's not the same judgment towards people who get the flu vaccine. It goes beyond HIV--there's promising research on HPV too. Penile cancer is rare....but so are many things we take precautions against on a daily basis.

    According to the CDC, I am wrong when I said 0.5% of the US population has HIV, it is actually 0.4%. Whoops my bad, it's even lower than I said previously.

    Let's take a look at who circumcision actually protects. We will go with the number you stated, 50,000 new cases every year. Ok, and you think all of that could have been prevented through circumcision? Let's crunch some numbers.

    First and foremost, the findings for protection from HIV were founded in female to male transfer through heterosexual contact. Several different studies came up with different numbers. The median number was about a 44% reduction in the female to male heterosexual transfer. 

    On to everyone circumcision does not protect.

    "Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) of all races and ethnicities remain the population most profoundly affected by HIV. " The gay population is most at risk for HIV in the US.

     "In a recent meta-analysis of 15 observational studies of male circumcision and HIV acquisition by MSM, a statistically nonsignificant protective association was found."That means that through all the studies done, they have not been able to prove that circumcision helps prevent HIV spread from male on male sex. It makes total sense considering that only 4% of the US population has male on male sex, yet it accounts for 78% of all new infections in males and accounts for 63% of all new infections.  Next group is injection drug users. They represent 8% of all new infections.   Next group is women."Studies of whether circumcision of males reduces HIV transmission to their female sex partners overall indicate no protective effect."Women are not at all protected by circumcision. "New HIV infections among women are primarily attributed to heterosexual contact (84% in 2010) or injection drug use (16% in 2010). Women accounted for 20% of estimated new HIV infections."  Since we already accounted for the numbers through drug use, we take out the number from drug use and only attribute the number from sex. That makes the number 17% of all new HIV infections.

    Ok so from all the stuff circumcision does not protect against, let's add the numbers. 63+8+17= 88.

    88% of all new HIV infections had nothing to do with and had no protection from circumcision. 

    The 12% left would be the new infections of males from heterosexual contact. Remember that it only reduces it by 44%. That means that 66% of circumcised males are still going to get HIV from heterosexual contact.

    Of the 0.4% of the US population that has HIV, 88% of the cases came about regardless of circumcision. And again, circumcision doesn't help 66% of the time for the rest of them.

    ETA: The Bump is not letting me separate the middle part into paragraphs. I keep trying but, it just isn't responding. Sorry for the cluster in the middle. I'll try a couple more times.

    Yeah, it's not working. Sorry.


    That's making a lot of assumptions. First, you can't say with any certainty that homosexual men aren't protected from circumcision. The research is very minimal and a mixed bag but there's evidence that circumcision protects the insertive partner--obviously not the receptive partner. Is there some large body of research I've missed on the sexual habits of homosexual men who contracted HIV this year? Your numbers are just some shot in the dark.

    For arguments sake well use your numbers. 2,500 people a year could have avoided HIV infection from circumcision alone. In ten years time that could be 25,000 less people with HIV. That's not taking into consideration the other diseases circumcision helps protect against out there as well.

    And to the other diseases--we know circumcision results in lower rates of HPV infection. We know HPV is a disease you can't prevent through condom use. We also know HPV causes cervical cancer but the newest research suggests its a factor in prostrate cancer as well. So even if you think circumcision is pointless because HIV...well there's more than that.
    Thanks for proving my point about those anti circ crusaders though. :D
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  • My numbers are a shot in the dark huh? Ok, I guess the CDC has no idea what they are talking about because everything I posted was directly from them. Oh wait, didn't you post a CDC link? Hmm.

    Calling me an "anti circ crusader" is dumb. In this entire thread I have been about the facts. Fact is that "pro circ crusaders" like you exaggerate circ benefits while dismissing non-circ benefits. Your posts come across as trying to call non-circ parents morons.

    Plain and simple, and like I already stated, both sides have benefits and both sides have risks. They are both pretty even overall which is why medical professionals sit in the middle and let the parents choose. Let me quote again, "Decisions about circumcision are highly personal and often depend more on social and religious factors than on medical evidence."

    I don't matter to me if someone chooses to circumcise or not as long as they have the facts from both sides and know the limitations.


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  • edited January 2014

    My numbers are a shot in the dark huh? Ok, I guess the CDC has no idea what they are talking about because everything I posted was directly from them. Oh wait, didn't you post a CDC link? Hmm.

    Calling me an "anti circ crusader" is dumb. In this entire thread I have been about the facts. Fact is that "pro circ crusaders" like you exaggerate circ benefits while dismissing non-circ benefits. Your posts come across as trying to call non-circ parents morons.

    Plain and simple, and like I already stated, both sides have benefits and both sides have risks. They are both pretty even overall which is why medical professionals sit in the middle and let the parents choose. Let me quote again, "Decisions about circumcision are highly personal and often depend more on social and religious factors than on medical evidence."

    I don't matter to me if someone chooses to circumcise or not as long as they have the facts from both sides and know the limitations.


    The reason why your numbers are a shot in the dark is because it hasn't been proven circumcision does not prevent against Male to male transmission. "Observational studies have yielded mixed results" is the current research on transmission in that manner--we just don't know yet. But you have a good point--if you're choosing to circumcise solely for HIV transmission that's probably silly. My motivating factor was my son not giving his future wife cervical cancer...but I digress. To quote the cdc "male circumcisiom is a proven effective prevention intervention with known medical benefits".
    I really don't mean to come across as calling non-circ parents morons..I've never responded to anyone who says I didn't choose to circ because the medical benefits weren't compelling enough for me. Generally these debates start because someone who is against circumcision puts out something incredibly offensive or tries to make a case for their side using a horribly inaccurate website.
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    I'm going to say 'screw the facts' on this one, and go completely on personal experience: I've had two partners who were uncircumcised; the most disgusting and awful experiences ever. In both instances, sex happened once, and never again. The smell was... picture something that has been growing mould for at least 5 years. MOST boys have horrible hygiene to begin with in their teenage years. Sex is important in a relationship later in life. Reading through all of these posts.. I haven't seen one uncircumcised man comment. I think an important question is to find a man who isn't circumcised, ask the troubles (if any) he's had, along with sexual experiences. There's always going to be risks on either side. Hubby and I aren't finding out what were having, but we don't even need to discuss the issue. Many might see this view as somewhat 'materialistic' (like not dating someone because you don't think they're good looking), but it's still another side of the story that many haven't touched on. Sometimes you just have to go with your gut!
  • When I have boys, I plan to.. Reason being- My mom was a nurse assistant and took care of elderly all through my childhood. Mom talked about how at that point in life, things get pretty bad down there for those who were not circumcised. (which is unfortunately due to them being unable to take good care of it themselves, and the women taking care of them, not giving it the extra cleaning it needs...)
    I know It makes it a little easier to keep clean through other stages of life too... But I guess mom talking about that, just made me decide, go ahead and do it early on. Before they can have any real memory of it. 
  • An uncircumcised penis is a lot like a vagina. It's mostly self cleaning. It doesn't need it's own special cleaning regimen, regardless of stage of life. It's a cosmetic decision.
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  • We are choosing to circumcise our son mostly for social reasons. It's still by far the "norm" especially for our area of the country (Midwest). My husband very much wanted to do it for that reason. It didn't really matter to me as much either way so I deferred to him. It does seem to be getting phased out though and I'd be surprised if it's still happening much at all in a couple hundred years from now. 
  • I'm going to say 'screw the facts' on this one, and go completely on personal experience: I've had two partners who were uncircumcised; the most disgusting and awful experiences ever. In both instances, sex happened once, and never again. The smell was... picture something that has been growing mould for at least 5 years. MOST boys have horrible hygiene to begin with in their teenage years. Sex is important in a relationship later in life. Reading through all of these posts.. I haven't seen one uncircumcised man comment. I think an important question is to find a man who isn't circumcised, ask the troubles (if any) he's had, along with sexual experiences. There's always going to be risks on either side. Hubby and I aren't finding out what were having, but we don't even need to discuss the issue. Many might see this view as somewhat 'materialistic' (like not dating someone because you don't think they're good looking), but it's still another side of the story that many haven't touched on. Sometimes you just have to go with your gut!

    Maybe you should quit having sex with dirty men. Circumcision has nothing to do with hygiene.
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  • KC_13 said:
    I am dumbfounded that someone thinks that circumcisiom helping reduce hiv infection as a myth and lol at psychology today being linked as a legitimate research site. I think Wikipedia is more reputable. Op, if you want some real science to help with your decision, here ya go. Good luck with your decision. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/prevention_research_malecircumcision.pdf

    I think people miss the point where the studies done were in Africa. It is a much bigger issue there. They don't have access to condoms and whatnot for safe sex. They don't get to bathe like we do. In the United States it is pretty much a non-issue.

    Done! If this is a boy, I will circ just in case of the zombie or other apocalypse and there are no showers or condoms.

    I'm kidding, obviously, we are team green and haven't made a decision.

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  • I'm going to say 'screw the facts' on this one, and go completely on personal experience: I've had two partners who were uncircumcised; the most disgusting and awful experiences ever. In both instances, sex happened once, and never again. The smell was... picture something that has been growing mould for at least 5 years. MOST boys have horrible hygiene to begin with in their teenage years. Sex is important in a relationship later in life. Reading through all of these posts.. I haven't seen one uncircumcised man comment. I think an important question is to find a man who isn't circumcised, ask the troubles (if any) he's had, along with sexual experiences. There's always going to be risks on either side. Hubby and I aren't finding out what were having, but we don't even need to discuss the issue. Many might see this view as somewhat 'materialistic' (like not dating someone because you don't think they're good looking), but it's still another side of the story that many haven't touched on. Sometimes you just have to go with your gut!

    I have had great discussions with an uncircumcised man.......my husband.  I am not sure what the men you had experiences with were like but I know that is not the case with my husband (or the uncirced partners of female friends)  I don't think it matters one way or the other, some men are not as clean. 

    For the OP,my husband feels very strongly about not having a circumcision done (if we have a son).  I had never thought about it before my husband because in the US it has been the norm to have it done.  I read one post online that talked about how bizzare an uncirced erect penis looks.  I highly doubt they have ever seen one because  erect, they look no different.  I do understand that there could be a difference amongst boy in locker rooms etc.  I am not as concerned with that because more and more parents are opting not to have it done.  Would I try to sway someone one way or another?  Absolutely not!  To me it is your child, your choice.  I have heard of botched circumcisions, and I have heard of it having to be done later in life.  It is a gamble either way.  The truth is you have no way of knowing.  Make the best choice for you and your child at the time.  If you still need input, talk to people you know with boys.  Ask what they feel the benefits of their choice was and ask if they had any problems.  These threads are most always a heated debate.  Good luck to you in whatever choice you make :)

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  • Hahah great topic.
    I've seen a lot of penis's, only because I was a CNA when I was younger. So I have been instantly persuaded to cut the penis. No question in my mind :) Also nephew's have had a lot of issues with theirs and not cleaning properly. Young Boys and hygiene are a bit shaky.
    Some people say yeah or nay. It's all by choice, there's no wrong or right :)
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  • I agree with joules235... In case anyone doesn't know, the only self cleaning organs on the human body are they eyes, and the vagina.... that's a real thing. Look it up.

    I'm not even going to give my opinion on this thread though.... However, I will say that DS1 is circumcised and we will also have DS2 circumcised as well.

    I haven't read all the comments on this thread so I don't know if anyone has mentioned the "let them choose when they're older" option, but I will add that DH was given the option to choose if he wanted to be circumcised, which he did, and he said it was the worst most traumatizing experience of his life, next to losing his left nut to testicular cancer at age 17. (He got his circumcision done at age 11).

    To eatch their own. There are plenty of circumcised and uncircumcised dick around. I don't get why a personal decision like this is such a controversial topic.
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    An uncircumcised penis is a lot like a vagina. It's mostly self cleaning. It doesn't need it's own special cleaning regimen, regardless of stage of life. It's a cosmetic decision.

    This is not entirely true. When a child is young and the foreskin hasn't retracted yet it is self cleaning because nothing is going to get in there. The foreskin is adhered to the glans.

    Once the child gets older and the foreskin separates from the glans it does need to be retracted and cleaned in the shower/bath, or it will smell.

    As for a special regimen there really isn't one. Before the foreskin retracts you only clean what is seen and after it retracts then you would retract the foreskin and clean the glans and inside of the foreskin as well.

    I don't understand the whole "oh its so hard to teach kids to clean themselves" thing. I feel like handing any guy some soap and telling them to play with their penis in the shower isn't a hard sell...


    Ya defiantly does not self clean! I've dated a uncircumcised guy and it was a must he had to clean it before otherwise I wouldn't go near him. Men sweat and it gets trapped in there.

    Also as a cna as an 18-21 you are taught to pull the foreskin back and clean it. However no one ever did this and these poor old men had the worst infections from what was growing in there. Shivers
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  • So as an eleven year old it was the worst experience of his life . . . So we should do it to tiny new born babies?

    It's still a cosmetic decision.
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  • So as an eleven year old it was the worst experience of his life . . . So we should do it to tiny new born babies?

    It's still a cosmetic decision.

    It was traumatizing because of the fact that he was old enough to remember it... he said he would have much rather had it done at a time when he would have no memory of it. Regardless though, he says he's 100% glad he had it done.
  • Except research shows that even though new borns don't have a conscious memory of it their brains are permanently changed by exposure to that kind of pain.

    I'm not trying to be all intactivist, I truly think it's a personal decision, but I think the argument "do it before they can remember it hurts like a mf" is a weird one, especially since it's so often used to justify inadequate pain management during the procedure. 
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  • I would say if your husband is do it, if he isn't don't. The reasoning is your son will feel very awkward if his is different than his fathers. No matter how much talking you give him and how much he says he understands it will always be a weird thought in his head about why he isnt like his dad
  • Ya defiantly does not self clean! I've dated a uncircumcised guy and it was a must he had to clean it before otherwise I wouldn't go near him. Men sweat and it gets trapped in there. Also as a cna as an 18-21 you are taught to pull the foreskin back and clean it. However no one ever did this and these poor old men had the worst infections from what was growing in there. Shivers
    SO you are saying, that we should circumsize our sons because the medical professionals that will be paid to take care of them will provide them inadequate care?  Good to know.


     

     

     

     

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  • How often do your son and your husband compare penises?
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  • How often do your son and your husband compare penises?
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  • edited February 2014

    I would say if your husband is do it, if he isn't don't. The reasoning is your son will feel very awkward if his is different than his fathers. No matter how much talking you give him and how much he says he understands it will always be a weird thought in his head about why he isnt like his dad

    You spew nothing but bullshit don't you @mashedpotatoes?

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  • We will be having my son circumcised. Part of this is because my first son was not, and now is facing a possible circumcision at 14 because of issues with his foreskin. This is not a "normal" complication or anything but still I feel bad for him and know it could have been prevented. Also, my DH is and he wanted him to be. I know men who are both ways and not a one has ever expressed upset at what their parents chose. So for piece of mind we will be. But it really is a personal choice. Do your research and definitely talk to your pediatrician.
  • Oh dear lord! Did you really have to drag this thread back to the top @flawedpottery? ::sigh::

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  • Both my father and brother were NOT circumcised at birth. Although,' both had to have very painful procedures later on in life to become circumcised due to medical reasons. My brother doesn't remember (he was 3) but my mom remembers the pain he was in and it was very difficult for her. My father was in his 30's and not so lucky as to not remember the pain. It is very painful if not done at birth.
    Now my husband is also not circumcised and has never had any issues although he has stated that he wished he had been and that if we have a boy then he would prefer that we do circumcise.
    So basically, I am making my decision based on the fact that there is a potential something done the road could happen based on family history on my side and also the preference of my DH. If there had been no issues on my side of the family then we probably wouldn't circumcise. It's a personal decision for everyone and should be discussed with your SO and your decision should be based on your discussions together, not what others say on the bump.
    Good luck OP!
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  • Guess what, if you do it at birth it's still just as painful.
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  • When my boys were born, I just had them circumcised because that was the normal thing to do in our family. I never questioned it, or did any research. Honestly it doesn't bother me that they are circumcised, but I just wish I had done some research and made an informed decision about it. All I can say is read, read, read. And it looks like that's what you're doing. Good luck, Mama!
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